what a cool mod, battles are more realistic and good looking (with spacing) with this one. I wonder if it works with characters resize mod. going to try that now. only problem is that when enemy routs, you still cant damage them as such as like you should be. :)

I'll look into the speed terrain stuff, I never fight in settlements so I assume that has never happened before? I've seen units get left behind if they get stuck in terrain or blocked by enemy units.

That's just CA's god tier map making skills. They set what the terrain is when they make the map, can't do anything about it, we cannot edit the battle maps, I'd be all over it if we could. You will see much grass without seeing much grass.

Love the update!

Combat isn’t so yeetus-deletus anymore, it has balanced out the cav issue abit too.

Only concerns:

Speed terrain debuffs can be harsh in settlements, making unit models disconnect oddly (6 archers on wall while rest of unit is halfway across the world, or some odd shuffle blobs)

Also, some maps will have stone road in a cathay fort, but hovered over says “Grass” when it is visibly stone road

Updated. Major changes are:

Added terrain stat effects and tool tips in battle. Example: Mud, it now reduces the combat efficiency of small units. Small units standing in mud will take a leadership hit as well and other stat debuffs which the tool tip will show you when hovering over the ground with a certain unit type selected.

Leadership changes: Units will now fight longer before routing via total damage taken. They rally faster and up to 4 times from 3. Near by routing enemies and friends has been balanced, -2 per unit.

Base melee hit chance has been lowered to 15 from 35. This added +35 attack to all units which made low tier units perform better and high tier units perform worse. It also speed up combat. Now combat will be noticeably slower but more importantly unit balance has completely changed. Melee stats are now much more impactful and lord combat will be way more stat dependent.

Will update description and changes at another time, let me know what you think.

Surprisingly no, it'll work. My changes will work, regardless of load order, his ignored. He changes a lot more though so it'll definitely be a different experience than what I tested for and intended.

Of course incompatible with this one? https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3575054982 Even if I put yours, which I like the most, last in load order¿

battle entities changes probably won't

Hello, good afternoon!!! I have SFO and an SFO mod that makes the unit statistics vanilla. Would this mod work?

perhaps, miscast damage is in projectiles_explosions_tables

There is a sub mod that reverses the unit spacing changes

i miss brutal battles 2, the mobby mob infantry were so fun to use, but they all line up like trained soldiers in this

Would also be nice if tomb, King Lords on war Sphinx have the construct attribute

How do you feel about increasing the damage on miscasts? Feels underwhelming at the moment

Seems like cav nerf changes were effective

Reigned in their power a little, but has not obliterated them

Goodjob

yes see morale changes

Does this mod have any effect on fear and terror?

Specifically, making terror, more impactful

you cannot edit attributes like perfect vig

Have you ever considered changing what Perfect Vigour does?

Like perhaps a -2% vigour loss instead of never getting tired.

Thanks, will test and let you know!

Updated. Cav nerf, anti cav buff.
Grail Knights Perfect Vigor REMOVED.
charging fatigue cost increased from 40 to 45
collision_damage_immunity_timer increased from .9 to 1
charge_reflect_damage_multiplier increased from 1.5 to 1.7
bracing_charge_reflector_bonus increased from 10 to 20

Feedback welcomed but please provide detail when doing so, i.e pictures or videos.
There are other cav with perfect vig but mostly RoRs, we'll see if they need to be removed too in time.

testing now but blood knights are not ideal testing units since they got -300 leadership and crumble and die. But so far they don't seem any better than "normal" high tier cav.

Ah okay, i feel reverting the charge bonus durarion and nerfing speed would be great

Problem now is units with perfect vigour or high tier cav like blood nights can just constantly zoom in and out of every single unit to the point where even units with charge defence don’t make an impact

whenever they actually get their next update released. focusing on my chaos mod atm but might make time for it sooner

Any eta on cav nerf?

Its ridiculously easy to get 1000 kills with bloodknights lol

Yeah i feel the crush damage is too high, the knockback and ability to weave in and out of units without charge defence is good, but the crush damage is too high

Perfect figure is just a disgusting ability in this mod, if it granted -2% vigour loss reduction

It would be far less broken.


Fatigue and vigour are just so important in this mod as they should be

sounds like terror routing, something that basically never happens in vanilla but now morale and leadership actually function much better. otherwise i have no idea what that is if you mean you can still move and attack with units that are routing. this mod only changes database values extremely unlikely it causes any code bugs.

units are routing but still able to be controlled. this makes the ai really confused, because they ignore routing units

Not sure, I don't test the submods for balance as I don't use them and only ensure that they work since people asked for them.

Cav nerf will most likely just be one value change. I will increase the immunity timer for collision and look into collision damage and coefficients. Cav shouldn't be great in melee as many more units should be hitting them but that's in theory and doesn't really happen. I'll test that too. Fatigue is very good at keeping cav in check in long term though.

are the submods balanced for the new bloodnight units? i.e armor rng removal and revert spacings?

For cav, I’m thinking maybe make their melee prowess weaker, are they take more damage in combat because in theory they should be really good on attack, but their defence should be not as formidable

Since you could basically cut off the leg of a horse with a giant ax, and then the rider is dead

Maybe a D buff to their charge bonus as well or at least it’s duration

I understand what they said about perfect bigger and the grail nights, dude will just speed run through everything

Good job with Vigo loss fatigue is very effective now especially duration. It takes time replenish.

Will there be a simple mod for dense rows?

yeah, not much i can do about perfect vig, removing it would lower mod compatibility, cav need a little nerf

tried a 4 player free for all w this mod, one player had grailknights with perfect vigour. Oh boy they were OP. I like the concept of this mod though, makes fatigue more realistic

maybe. i dont really see that issue when i play. got a picture? bigger hit box will also make them get stuck much easier and potentially do more dmg by hitting more targets at once

id also like to add: i think cavalry spacing is too close. They bunchh up like crazy (the models are inside of eachother).

@Casualfield hello! Yes its most artillery, since spacing is more tight (which is awesome) things with aoe effects are much more powerful. Mortars are particularly TOO accurate. Hellfire cannons just obliterate units in one hit.

I downloaded a mod that reducces ALL acuracy by 15% in the meantime. but being able to just reduce artillery would be the goal. Primarily things with exploding effects are too powerful. Mortar teams/Mortars, The rat trebuche, cathays weird cannon that isnt actually a cannon, rocket battery, luminark.

Piercing artillery like cannons, balistas(eagle claw) , normal ccatipults are fine.

Thank you!!!

updated. added an optional mod to revert the unit spacing changes in the description. tweaked fatigue so cavalry cannot cycle charge as much before getting exhausted. ranged units now get fatigued from firing lowering their damage and defense in prolonged combat. few other tweaks too

if you have feedback please be descriptive thank you

BlacK Shot yes compatible load this 1st tho.

InfoManiac artillery isn't really balanced in base game so if im going to nerf it I'd want to make it balanced and I don't really want to do that atm but I'll think about it. provide more info to if you can What unit in particular are you talking about it? are you just using it or was it the ai?

artillery is way too effective now. need something that makes artillery accuracy WAY lower.

slower battles by who? link it.

Hi everyone, does anyone know if this mod can be used together with slower battles by Volcano?

LOVE this!!!! battles between 2 full stacks is around 16 minutes long, compared to vanillas 5 minute battles, I LOVE IT! Battles are bloodier, and make more sense imo.

just normal, only cav and certain units like artillery are really better, things that reward micro usually. you should be taking noticeably more casualties and damage so 1v4 in campaign will be harder for instance.

Is this balanced around a certain difficulty or AI stat bonuses? I find that it is easier than vanilla

smart, conservative choice, will test it out. Appreciated your continued support and involvement with the mod!

will add more fatigue cost from charging and slightly lower the thresholds for fatigue states

so i feel cavalry and chariots are slightly OP,

the smashing through stuff and not getting tied down easily is great,

however i think it needs to be balanced with them getting tired faster, and having fatigue really punish their charge and movement speed

this way they are still beasts when used fresh and in reserve, but you don't end up with a Griffon legion with 700 kills on 20 units of mauraders