Sid Meier's Civilization V

Sid Meier's Civilization V

Roman Imperial Cult
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Sevro au Barca 2017 年 2 月 20 日 下午 5:24 
To adress this problem everyone has with the mod, Let me just say that the word "cult" does have a negative connotation, but isn't necessarily bad. An example would be the Imperial Cult from Warhammer: 40K. A cult is pretty much a religion knowingly started by one person in which this person declares himself to be a god.
DemonDino 2014 年 7 月 19 日 下午 5:58 
i just editt the cult title out
Archduke Alessio Galvunum 2014 年 2 月 1 日 下午 5:36 
I believe he is refering to emperor caligula's desire to be worshiped as a god
Warsmith 2013 年 5 月 7 日 上午 8:17 
Uh... Cult?
Miath 2013 年 2 月 6 日 下午 4:31 
This does work, aye? Because I felt the Romans were missing something distinctly Roman in the religion category and nothing quite says Glory to the Romans like this.
Cleez 2012 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:08 
He was then declared Imperator by the Roman army. When he finally subdued all of his political rivals he made the short step to autocrat and was granted the title Augustus by the senate, thenceforth adopting his regnal name of Imperator Caesar Augustus. In the early Roman empire, the emperors kept several titles always attached to their names: Augustus, an honorific that referenced Octavian; Imperator, which referred to their command over the Roman military; and Caesar, to honor Gaius Julius Caesar, and to denote their deified status. Due to mistranslations over the centuries, the word Caesar became synonymous with 'emperor', hence the words Kaiser in German and Czar in Russian.
Cleez 2012 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:08 
Julius refers to Caesar's gens (the Julii). Gens were like clans with many familial branches. A Roman name, at least in Caesar's case, is composed of a praenomen, nomen and cognomen. Gaius is his praenomen, or given name; Julius is his nomen, referring to his gens, the house of the Julii; Caesar is his surname, referring to his specific familial branch within the gens. Thus, Gaius Julius Caesar. Caesar was never an emperor. Augustus (Gaius Octavian) was Caesar's great-nephew. Caesar's will named Octavian his adopted son and heir, and he took the name Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus.
Havoc 2012 年 8 月 27 日 上午 6:46 
To back up ryoga's argument that Caesar =/= Emperor in latin. Emperor in latin (or as close as can be) is Imperator. I might be wrong but it seems to fit. Also nice mod :D love the image
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 8 月 14 日 上午 4:46 
In my opinion yes, gods and king is worth it, if you are someone who still hadn't enough of Civ V after playing it already for hours.
If you are one who got bored of it already, then it's not like the game changes that much. All the changes are pretty nice, but there's no revolution.
Der Kuhlschrank Kaiser. 2012 年 8 月 13 日 下午 3:14 
@ryoga hahah i see it now hahah. is god and kings worth it or not? juss wanna know? thanks
MOV_Hannibal 2012 年 8 月 8 日 下午 11:27 
Hmmm, interesting I never thought of that possiblity, I will look into it, thanks.
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 8 月 8 日 下午 3:14 
Ah forgive me I was wrong Iulius is indeed is family name, but Caesar was his cognomen, similar to "Africanus" for Scipio. In any case "Caesar" doesn't mean Emperor, it only became a synonimous of that because every roman emperor from Augustus onward took the same cognomen in honor to Gaius Iulius Caesar. At any rate every history books I've read always reported that the tradition of naming emperor "Caesar" started with Gaius Iulius, even if he himself wasn't. Now if you say that's wrong, that'd pretty interesting, but I'd like to see something confirming it. Even then I am definitely sure that "Caesar" doesn't mean emperor in Latin nor anything of that sort.
MOV_Hannibal 2012 年 8 月 8 日 下午 1:34 
Thanks for the answer. You are right, It would be like opening pandoras box but I would love for someone to make a mod where you found mythos instead of the pantheon or something like that to give it a bit of an added edge. about Jullius. Jullius is his family name, one of the major aristocratic families in rome, his given name Gaius which people calle dhim his entire life. Ceaser means emperor. Ever had Ceaser salad for example? the name Julius ceaser starte dbecoming popular in a lot of the later works by historians. It is true that some people called him ceaser but it was against his wishes and made the republic worried. A fear of the return of the kings and other factors such as jealousy led to him to be killed. In following a civil war emerged where one of his family memberrs became the Augustus Ceaser or First Emporer, both worlds are still in us ein the English language. thanks for the answer, and good reason too - regards, small unjustified mistake hating guy.
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 8 月 8 日 上午 5:50 
It's because of an (insistent) request. Someone really wanted the "imperial cult" mod, so I made it.

I'm still not sure whether it makes sense to add polytheistic religions to Civilization. In the end those are meant to be represented by the "pantheon" you found early and the game seems to make a distinction between them and major religions that still exist as of today.
Then again I could argue that Shintoism is basically a polytheistic religion not really different from the roman mythos.

The main problem is that... well it's like opening a pandora's box. Once you make the Roman Mythos, you should make the greek mythos and then the norse mythos and then druidism, and then the russian folk religion, the egyptian, the phoenician, the babylonian even the chinese had their own pantheon.

P.S. What do you mean "Julius Caesar" is wrong because he was never emperor? You are right that he never was an emperor, but "Caesar" is just a family name.
MOV_Hannibal 2012 年 8 月 7 日 下午 11:28 
I never meant to say that the senate was disbanded but it was alot less of influence, like you also said. I completely understand what you are saying, I did not know the imperial Roman cult was a real thing, so I got it confused with the Roman mythos. I say again I love the idea but why a cult based on worshpiping emperors and not the Official religion of the Roman Empire, a religion that had large influences on europe for hundreds of years? - p.s. wikpepidia is not always right, for example what I said att the end oof my last common was his popular name and what is use don wikipedia, but historic evidence and his own writtings says he was never emperor so never could of been rightfully called ceaser. Some did though against his wishes which led to his death. - kind regards and thanks for the imformation.
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 8 月 7 日 下午 4:33 
By the way it's not like the SPQR bit matters. It doesn't appear in the mod at all, it's just in the image above.
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 8 月 7 日 下午 4:30 
What yoy say Hannibal is at odd with what Wikipedia reports and fits with my personal knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_%28ancient_Rome%29
This page describes the Imperial Cult and I more or less copypasted part of that with a few edits for the Civilopedia.

Also this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPQR
States that SPQR was still in use during the roman Empire. Which makes sense because "Emperor" only assumed the meaning of supreme monarch much later. The word itself means "Commander" and it was seen as much less authoritative than "Rex". The Roman Empire was a de facto monarchy but it tried to maintain an appearance of republic, and that's why SPQR was still used.
MOV_Hannibal 2012 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:39 
Good idea, but two things well, wrong. One, this was deffinately not a cult and was not forced upon citizens. Two, you have used SPQR (Senatus Poulesque Romanus), The Senate and People of Rome. For my love of history this annoys me because the Roman Mythos survived for a long time after the fall of the republic. In game Rome is Imperial so it makes no sense to use the Republic's symbol. If you want to make this as authentic as possible I recomend, renaming it by it's proper name or atleast calling it Roman Mthos. Changing the flag to it's official design would deffinately help aswell. Again, great idea, I love it, and I hope you continue for other ancient/classical civilizations too. - Sincerly guy who gets annoyed at little trival mistakes about Rome, like how Civilization called him Jullius Ceaser when he was never announced emporer and was actualy called Giaus Jullius. :)
VorlonB9 2012 年 8 月 5 日 下午 2:48 
Superbe GOOD
[ETW]Bloddy Bunny 2012 年 8 月 4 日 下午 2:08 
pretty nice mate
Zero Ryoko 2012 年 7 月 30 日 下午 5:22 
Thank you! Been waiting for this, it never felt right playing rome and picking a religion, usually renamed one "Roman Pantheon".
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 7 月 27 日 上午 7:55 
@Der_Kuhl_Shrank Yes see the tags.
rexrex 2012 年 7 月 27 日 上午 1:48 
I LOVE THE ROMAN EMPIRE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ADDING THIS!!!
Der Kuhlschrank Kaiser. 2012 年 7 月 26 日 下午 5:11 
I bet you do but do you need Gods and kings for this to work?
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 7 月 25 日 上午 1:52 
I've heard Babylonians adopted zoroastrism after the persian invasion.

Anyway you forgot Carthage, which I guess worshiped the phoenician pantheon.
isnorden 2012 年 7 月 25 日 上午 1:35 
Just three official civs left to add religions for: I've heard Greek paganism called Hellenismos in modern times, and the Egyptian variety called Kemetism (after the old name for Egypt), But I can't find a short, convenient name for older Babylonian beliefs. *shrug*
Ryoga  [作者] 2012 年 7 月 24 日 下午 11:52 
You're lucky, I've already done that.
Balam_br 2012 年 7 月 24 日 下午 5:39 
We would love pre christian choices for Aztecs, Mayaa and Incas too ;.-)
Princeps 2012 年 7 月 24 日 下午 12:23 
YES
isnorden 2012 年 7 月 24 日 上午 10:37 
Thank you; now Caesar's empire can be pagan as it should! Now all we need are pre-Christian choices for four more official civs (Greece, Egypt, Polynesia and Babylon). If you could add a mod for those, I'd really appreciate that... :-)