I love this mod so much. Could the you update it to version 1.8?

@Lucky Dan - It's not written off of independence, it's written off of a trigger that checks to see if land is going to be lost (the same trigger that shows the message in the UI). I suspect that the game engine itself handles this for vassals of vassals so that the top liege doesn't see it. Unfortunately, modders don't have access to the engine. I'll keep tinkering, but if you just pick the last option to do nothing, it doesn't mess anything up.

I'm getting the event to fire regularly stating a title is leaving my realm... and when I look over what's going on, it's some variant of one person in other part of my realm is taking over from another part of my same realm, and in none of the situations, will it actually leave my realm. If I had to guess, it's written like a vassal independence, but I'm not the person they'd be independent of. It'd be one of my dukes/kings becoming independent of their duke/king.

@Franzosisch - the only way I can debug specific situations like this is for you to share your save file (and mod list) on the discord in a bug report.

I had a situation, where I was an independent King and my Heir was a Duke in the HRE.
When I died the event fired and I could either lose the lands or go to war.
In such a situatuion I think it should be also an option to become (or really stay) a vassal.

The events seem to trigger when they shouldn't. For example, playing as Alfred in Wessex and your brother, the king, with no heirs dies, the event pops up saying your dead brother is laying claim to the lands you've inherited.

@Pl4m - I think I misunderstood. I'll look into it when I have some time.

Awesome! Thank you!

@Master Necro - No updates are needed for 1.17

Does this need an update or it works properly in 1.17 without an update?

@Valaddar Isn't the scope already set to include wars that are caused by someone being mad about the inheritance? I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but wouldn't it be basically the same code that already exists but with an extra line that gives you a title revocation reason against the rebelling vassal?

@Pl4m - I'm not expanding the mod's functionality outside of handling just the inheritance itself. The mod already has stability issues due to fighting with the game engine to control inheritance scenarios, so adding more logic and code will only make it more unstable.

It's great for the most part, but I'd like to suggest that, in cases where a vassal goes to war with their liege for a title, the victorious liege should get a title revocation reason and imprison them. This mod in combination with a few others that make civil wars more interesting has resulted in half the realm rebelling at a time and yet, when I win the war, just having to let their treason go unnoticed, so I think doing something similar to the end states of faction wars could be good

I had a weird situation with this mod when playing with agot. So basically Jon Arryn's son conquered the Riverlands while Hoster Tully is still alive and after he won the war, suddenly, they swapped places. Meaning Hoster is now in charge of the Vale and Jon Arryn's son is in River run.

@Sir Boberine ‘the Great’ - This mod is only to prevent lands leaving your realm. Expanding it to cover historical hereditary law is outside the scope.

Damn, looks like a genuinely really good mod! Is it only covering inheritance outside your realm? Or might such events pop up regarding vassal succession inside your realm, for example, in Anglo-Saxon England, the earldoms were not strictly hereditary, but rather the king might allow the inheritance, and grant the earldom to the son of the recently deceased earl, or the king might appoint another noble of another family onto the earldom instead. Might situations like this appear for some more historical flavour?

Had a situation that's more than likely a mod interaction, but I was poisoned and my son inherited everything except the game treated him as an adult (he commanded my armies at 13) and then the event started up as if I (now my son) were in an inheritance dispute with my deceased father.

@Angus The Red - if your mother and your character both had the exact same Duke as your liege, you should have inherited the titles fine. The Duke should have claimed them only if they were going to be inherited by someone outside his realm.

It was great fun though and this is a complicated situation. Maybe a little room for improvement.

I had a complicated succession crisis...

I am a count with one county under a Duke under a King. My mother is a countess with two counties under the same Duke. My county and my mother's two counties are in an uncreated Duchy. My liege has two Duchy titles, but we are not de jure to either of them.

My mother dies. My liege takes my mother's counties and does not allow me to inherit them. I declare war for the counties (not for my liege's Ducal titles which was an option). I win the war by capturing the Duke in battle. I enforce demands and receive only _one_ county. The Duke had granted the other one away during the war. I have an _unpressed_ claim to it.

This feels like it would be an exploit if I had been playing the Duke. Grant the counties if you are about to lose the war, then revoke them afterwards to get them back.

Why do I have only an _unpressed_ claim? I think it should be pressed. I had every legal right to inherit them.

I found the issue. So, for some reason, the game does count the liege inheriting the lands as a "title leaving your realm", but doesn't show it as a message like you normally see (which makes sense. The game engine must be suppressing that.)

Anyway, I am now checking that your heir isn't your liege, so the event is not firing incorrectly. This should help with the weird inheritance stuff folks were seeing in large realms. I checked both scenarios posted by @Gilgamesh and both are now fixed.

Other scenarios tested and working:
1. Your vassal inherits land outside your realm of an equal or higher rank than yours
- Event triggered correctly for player and AI
2. Your vassal dies and a foreign ruler inherits the land, taking it from you
- Event triggered correctly for player and AI
3. Your vassal wins a war for a foreign title equal or greater than yours
- Event triggered correctly for player and AI

Thanks for all the help!

@Gilgamesh - Excellent, thanks for the detailed steps. I should be able to find the issue now.

I experienced the same issue as @moggiemode, so I played a game session with just this mod enabled to see if it is a compatibility issue or not. And the problematic event appeared for fedual, tribal, and admin rulers. For tribal and fedual rulers, If the vassal dies and the land reverts back to you, the "denied the X" event appears, which makes no sense.

Reproducible Steps for Admin:
1. Pick the 867 Start Date
2. Pick the Byzantine Emperor
3. Use debug mode to kill Strategos Kallistos II of Anatolikon
4. Inheritance Crisis Event (I selected the option for Lord Theodotos to inherit the theme) -> 2 year old governor? Shouldn't be allowed
5. Unpause the game until the "Denied the theme of Anatolikon Event Pops up."


Reproducible Steps for Tribal:
1. Pick the 867 Start Date
2. Play as Rurik
3. Kill your vassal Kyrro of Valdai through debug
4. Inheritance crisis, land reverts to you
4. Unpause until you get the "Denied the Chiefdom of Valdai Event"

@moogiemode - I can't reproduce this. Please provide simple steps to reproduce.

For example,
1. Gave my son land
2. My son dies
3. I inherit his lands (no event popped, working correctly)

I don't understand how the scenario you're talking about is different from the one above.

getting weird issues where even when i inherit the lands, the event still pops up asking me if i want to hand off the title to myself, or take the title from myself. even the war options allow me to go to war with myself for a title i already have. as well as event logs "you have lost xxxx titles to you". not sure if compatibility issue or if there's a check missing to restrict it from popping off when you inherit a title from a vassal

@Miketantinople - I've never played with that mod, but they seem to be doing different things. And my mod changes no existing files, so it **should** be fine.

Does this work well with "Immersive succession for AGOT" ?

I finally found and fixed the issue causing weird realm inheritance. Basically, the event didn't always know who the heir was, so the title was being given to a random person. Also, it was trying to assign random people to baronies. Clearly, both of those issues would cause weird issues.

I've retested all scenarios:
- Having a baron die and his heir is a ruler outside your realm
--- this is already handled by the base game, I just had to stop interfering
- Having a count/duke/king die and his heir is a ruler outside your realm
--- the mod is now correctly identifying the rightful heir and creating the list of potential heirs for you to choose from

- Your vassal inherits a title equal to or higher than yours outside your realm
--- player gets to choose how they want to handle it, though the AI will not go to war with you
--- AI will not go to war with other AI unless you have the game rule on for that. I play with it off so border gore doesn't happen as much
- Your vassal wins a war for their claims on a title equal to or greater than yours
--- You will get options, including going to war
--- AI won't go to war with you
--- Default for AI to AI is the vassal takes the lands, but the old liege gets pressed claims
----- This makes sense to me since the vassal would have a garrison there already, so they "occupy" the lands. Hard to revoke that without war.

@valaddar - really appreciate the prompt response and a massive fan of your modding. Inheritance is one of the areas that needs most improvement in my opinion so I’m glad you’re on it :)

@ eoinraffs - Thanks for the report. This mod is attempting to fundamentally change how inheritance works, so bugs out of the gate are expected. I'll do more testing and see if I can't figure out what's going on.

To add to my comment - I agree with Diogobigateixeira, the HRE had the weirdest inheritance for me. Duchy vassals only beneath the empire were getting very bizarre

@diogobigateixeira - yes, the mod changes some of those strategies. It doesn't matter that you are both vassals to the HRE, that duchy was probably under another King, and they weren't just going to let you take the land from them. You could have always went to war for it, but just inheriting titles away from other realms isn't allowed.

I instaled it thinking it would be a nice mod but it makes expanding by inheritance impossible...
I was King of Lotharingia, vassal to HRE and was expanding inside the HRE so married the heiress to the huge Duchy of Angria. Then instead of our children getting her lands they were inherited by some random person even though it was inside the same realm.
I know the mod is a good idea but I regret a lot I didn't think too much before instaling cause it was very disadvantageous and ruined my game
But nice job bro i don't want to be mean just sharing my personal experience with it

Tried adding this to my mod list and all succession is pretty screwed up now - odd people inheriting titles that I can’t explain…

Where would be best to place in load order? Do you know of any mods (or even types of mods) that might conflict?

The King of France would often go to war with William despite the armistice and debts, demanding the return of England.

There's a new release of Hands Off! that prevents the succession event from firing for the following types of rulers:
-Barons
- Nights Watch
- Maesters
- Kingsguard
- Theocracy
- Landless Adventurer
- Republics

Steam users are dumb, this mod is free, the dev can use whatever tools he wants 😭😭😭

@Blackfish Interesting. I'll have to put a protection on the effect so it doesn't effect Nights Watch rulers.

The Mod (as far as i seen) breaks the Night Watch Election and makes them a feudal system with their leader being a king upon succession

its uggo, people hate uggo things
why this cornball acting tuff 😭😭😭

Are you people retarded? It is the normal use of AI in this situation. Why people so mad about this?

@outlander7 sybau🥀

are you people so dense you don't know how to find an image off of google? ai piss is ugly, its not complicated

crying about AI use is cringe. developers aren't all artists. It wouldn't be realistic to expect him to commission someone for art work on a mod page he works on for free, so if he didn't use ai art it would just be a random image.

this guy supports the game for free and people are really crying over him using ai to be a cover image for mod. get over yourself, ai is cool and creates well made images instantly noone cares about your sonic the hedgehog oc

Looks interesting, I'll test how it works in very near future but it's something that's missing in the game with random ass nobles inheriting empires while royal family still exists somewhere. Real cool!

@outlander7 who cares if he or she uses AI, what a complete non-issue

the mod seems well made otherwise (much appreciated), but its just not a good look.

vv it's not hard to find some random-ass image, instead of using ai. just completely makes one lose respect