@CYLMT Riven thanks for the reply. Makes sense. And you are the GOAT for making that comp submod for sfo

@Rosenhammer as far as I know. There should be no significant difference between the individuals and the comp. Obviously the only main issue being the units without sfo submods will be useable by the ai and yourself. If that’s not an issue for you. Then I don’t see why not. If it doesn’t work let me know. Also as I’ve been really busy for the past 6 months I do have the sfo submod of the compilation in the works and will eventually release it.

@CYLMT Riven apologies if this is a dumb question! But, is it okay if I use these individual sfo submods with the expanded roster compilation or do i need to use the specific counterparts individually? (its just that there is no x2 unit mods for the individual packs and no sfo mod for the compilation)

@HolyK Its right in the description.
"Prospectors got a little buff. (Not meant for combat. They are a niche wall destroying unit meant for siegeing walled settlements. They have the “can siege” attribute so you won’t need siege equipment to battle a walled settlement.)"

prospectors have vanilla stats

@< blank > I dont think my individual submods are compatible with the compilation. You would have to wait for me or one of the other ER submod guys to release a submod for specifically the compilation. I cant fix any bugs that this causes when used with the compilation and not the individual mod this is made for.

i use https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3314618468 faced with the problem of launching sfo submods, gnomes are working, empire is not, although they are updated on the same date.By running only the empire's submod, I also get a crash.

thx for your work!

@Clopperz Noted. Ill take a look when I have time. Ive been really busy at work and havent had time to touch any of my submods but im trying to plan some time soon to fix any problems the submods have from recent updates so rest assured i will eventually fix any issues people report. Thank you for using my submods!

i noticed drakefire pistols has just 5k hp is thi inteded? great mod, love this

Thanks a lot for submod!

@*****Matt In the description I explain why those units are low count. I adjusted their stats to perform for their role. Prospectors are for early sieges and destroying walls. Old Guard have much better stats than hammerers therefore there’s only 20 of them. Deco had them like this in the vanilla mod. My job as a submodder is not to change the original work but to interpret it into sfo. For me that means I take what deco has intended for his units roles in the game and do my best to make them work in sfo. I’ll look over their stats again when I update this mod but I don’t think I will be making them like miners or hammerers cause at that point there is no place for them to be used. It would be the same as having another miner unit or another hammerer unit and that seems redundant to me.

question: are the units supposed to scale with settings? Prospectors have 32 men per unit, and my miners are 100 men per unit. 20 Old Guard per unit versus 80 hammerers. Thanks!

Possible to have a SFO submod for expanded Beastmens please? :) https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2874672190

Tbh miners (and a few of their equivalents on some other factions) are a very polarizing unit, it feels as if grenadiers should be a higher tier elite unit and not a t1 chaff that is mostly good at clearing other t1 chaff. Maybe CA didn't want to bother cause the grenade mechanics are janky af.

Don’t worry about leaving a bunch of messages I appreciate all feedback.

How I see it. If I end up making them better than miners there would be no reason to have miners. If I change them from what deco had their purpose as then they would no longer be needed for any specific reason since the dwarves have plenty of early game front line units that already fill the role of “better than having miners” as they are being used to siege settlements and being capped so you can’t spam them in every army. I feel this way they fulfill a need early game for siegeing but at the same time aren’t replacing anything you would already be putting in your army. =)

@Noximilien L’horloger if I remember correctly. Deco had them as a special niche wall/structure/tower destroyer. They aren’t meant for combat. They are meant for sieving and destroying walls. Compared to regular miners they should do like 10x wall dmg and I’m pretty sure have the “can siege” attribute so you wouldn’t need equipment to do a battle against a walled settlement with them in your army. I tried to keep them faithful to what deco intended them for. If this clears anything up for you =) I’m not sure why deco has goblins/orcs seperate.

added to all of this they are capped as well, they feel like they are supposed to be a top tier unit, which they arent right now

yeah they have similar hp to stuff like irondrakes, butt that unit is way more powerful and a proper ranged unit unlike the prospectors, ive duelled them and irondrakes just wiped them out, so i think it would be good to change them up, sry for the many post

also why do orcs and goblins have separate expanded packs and sfo sub-mods, just interested

i get what your saying butt for a melee unit which has some ranged attack and are very similar to miners with blasting charges they have 1/3 of the hp and units, imo that seems quite low for a unit which is supposed to be better, they dont rly deal more dmg even for the increased cost and being way more fragile, i think to maybe up to 80 units and make them stand out more from miners would be nice, anyway good job, good luck and have a nice day

@Noximilien L’horloger just so you know my friend. The prospectors and old guard were niche units in decos vanilla version so I wanted to keep them close to what he had. Small but efficient. That’s why they have less health. It shouldn’t be anything less than what the other 32 unit size sfo units have. Let me know if they feel like lackluster to you I can always buff them a little.

nvm then apparently i didnt have the sfo submod for the orcs, still some units feel a bit lacklustre, butt thats not a mod not working, good job and keep it up

prospectors having 5600 hp, seems rly low even for a 32 man unit which isnt much stronger on the bombs than regular miners w charges

@Noximilien L’horloger could you give me an example? I just checked the dwarf units stats and they are all fine for me. So im not seeing these "Wrong values" you are talking about.

heyo, it seems all your sfo submods are not working as their values are wrong, most if not all of them have less hp then base units in SFO, likely the last patch broke your mods, pls update ty very much so i can use this again, bcs right now i can use any unit from the expanded rosters

i mean a compilation not collection, all in one mod

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3314618468

The Beastmen mod need an sfo submod, also there are now a full expanded roster collection, could be nice to have an all in one sfo version also :)

@Sorter what part needs update?

Looking forward to the update!

thanks <3

@Buffalo Ill take a look when I get the time. =)

Possible to make an sfo submod for beastmen please? :) https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2874672190

@Migstar117 Thank you.

hey, thanks for making this mod! sub modders like you keep the unit modders connected with those of us who only play SFO! ;)

nevermind i understand now

or sorry the dreadnaught

i still cant find the juggernaugt anywhere

understood nice work dude.

same with the Old Guard. I didn't want to change them too drastically so as to keep them inline with Deco's original vision for the units.

@Bright I increased their unit count and buffed them compared to their vanilla version. Quite significantly at that. Decomposed had them as low unit count and low stats. They have a special ability to damage walls and also have the "siege units" checkbox which means you dont need siege equipment.

ok its my bad they do have the stat but some mod conflict caused the issue. sorry my dude

they are too weak lol.

the prospectors unit count is low , is that intended?

@Bright I can try increasing their Hp but they were a weird unit to begin with considering they are just miners but low unit count. I think their main purpose is for sieging settlements and breaking down walls not to be used in combat.

np dude great work btw.

and the prospectors have too low hp to hold against single entity units

@Bright Thank you for letting me know I will fix it tomorrow.