and just to say again, I do like reskins... but not like 5 of them in the case of sawmill.

As for your comment here; “I don't consider the map undercooked. I think there's a place for map reskins in the game and a lot of players agree. I don't think they are going to please everyone, but no map is. Every map I do for my own enjoyment.”
I think it's pretty wrongheaded and misses what people don't like about these reskines. They just don't consider how the added elements affects the map design as a whole. Like, mostly people are complaining about being spammed with spells and yea, the map was not designed for them in the first place and you made zero alterations to amend that. That's why people are saying it's undercooked, zero design changes that accommodate the added halloween spells.

Saying "It's not for everyone" is just really dismissive and tonedeaf.

Removing the minify spell was a good idea, although it really should've been the first thing that was tweaked when adding spells to a CTF a map. like, the first thing before even playtesting is “how will spells affect this map?” (At least I hope it was playtested...)

An update just dropped for the map in game. Let me know if this helps FPS issues for those of you that were having issues with it before!

Changelog:
Took significant steps towards improving FPS on the map, especially around the bridge
Reduced particle and prop usage around the map
Removed the ability to roll the minify spell and replaced it with the teleport spell with one charge (Thanks Lizard of Oz)
Added extensions to the window frames looking through each opposing team's base and made the raised shacks slightly more symmetrical to block Sniper sightline
Removed the two spell books from just outside of the doors of each base
Increased the respawn time of the rare spell book slightly
Added Gargoyle spawns
Fixed a number of minor visual issues and clipping bugs (Thanks Lilly, The Rat Man, Dr. Maxi, and everyone else who reported these!)

This map would be infinitely better without spells or if everyone got a spell when the Intel was capped. Having them just out everywhere means I'm getting blasted by insta kill fireballs and eyeball rockets outside my spawn room constantly.

Doublecross with spells? Big no

"I can only do so much ahead of time when I'm getting maybe 100ish people helping test maps and suddenly it's exposed to 100k+." This is basically what I alluded to in the comments for Afterlife's workshop page.

If I made maps for myself, then I would keep them to myself, just saiyan...

The config thing is literally just a suggestion to try, I'm collecting data about what is working and what isn't. If it's something *everyone* has to do to improve FPS, I will update the map to accomadate. I can only do so much ahead of time when I'm getting maybe 100ish people helping test maps and suddenly it's exposed to 100k+. There's variables I can't account for at scale.

Suggesting config tweaks to help FPS is extremely common. So far I haven't heard of FPS issues being a super widespread issue on the map but I'm looking into some tweaks to improve it.

Lots of people enjoy a refresh of a familiar map. They aren't for everyone, and I question doing so many in the same update because it'll burn people out on them, but they aren't universally disliked. This map is currently sitting at a 95% approval rating here, and this map is from before the random map botting started. You'll likely say that vote doesn't matter, but it's higher than a lot of my unique maps.

I don't consider the map undercooked. I think there's a place for map reskins in the game and a lot of players agree. I don't think they are going to please everyone, but no map is. Every map I do for my own enjoyment.

The trains on the upper bridge is an odd choice, still. I guess they're there because more people use the top bridge than the lower bridge, and you still want to have an "acceptable" number of train kills, right? https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1o616w5/i_love_the_halloween_themed_double_cross_map/njdi5q5/

>You must turn down your graphics because particle spam causes framerate drops
Why do we players have to fiddle with our graphic configs just for ONE map to be playable, at some point optimization should be the map creator's responsibility. It doesn't gel with your vision? Either find a workaround or change course, don't steer forward on something that's not working.

>People complain that reskins are lazy without drastic changes
People are going to complain about reskins by their very nature of being reskins. Also no one asks for these.

>I do reskins for my own enjoyment
Then don't post it on the workshop for Valve to add to the game. You've had maps that were added before, clearly they trust you enough to add your stuff in without question so forgive me if I don't buy the excuse of "well I didn't expect Valve to pick this undercooked map so it's not my fault for leaving it on the workshop for my convenience."

awww don't cry little tf2 fan, daddy gaben has enough lazy map reskins to feed you your entire life. ERIC, bring out the TF2 Emporium maps ASAP, the boys hungry!

Congrats!

add a timer that awards the win to whoever has the most caps when it's out. stalemate if it's even. something, anytthing to make rounds not be the standard (eternal)

Why did THIS get in over Medusa?

if you told me ICS made this map I would believe you

this is extremely bad I'm sorry, every match is a spawncamp fest because the attacking team gets a rare spell that nukes the whole spawnroom. AND the Mini spell to just run past everything and get the intel, making everything pointless.

did we really need 3 doublecrosses?

Crash I like a lot of your work but this is just foggy doublecross man lmao

They added a halloween reskin over Trainsawlaser, an actually creative concept.

I would be frustrated too

I knew the speed capping with that specific spell was possible, you are limited though in that there is only one rare spell on the map, and you aren't always going to roll that exact spell. Meaning it's somewhat rare for everything to fall into place to line that kind of run up, which I feel makes it fall into an acceptable scenario, imo.

I'm still likely playing with the spawn rate of the rare spell, I already bumped it up a bit from the workshop version, I can always raise it more if it feels too problematic.

I'd likely need to utilize some vscript if I wanted to affect the pickup ability with spells, in the future. It's not entirely out of the question though if it feels like it needs it.

My only criticism is that when you have the briefcase, you can't use spells or pick up the briefcase if you have an active spell. Other than that, all good

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1o2fqh5/having_spells_on_a_ctf_map_was_a_mistake_lmao/

Thanks for putting doublecross where it belongs

My bad; I didn't test the map out long enough. It's cool that the lower train bridge on this map FINALLY has some sort of train on it. Thank you!

It's a 50/50 chance to do either, it's harder to notice the lower one if you aren't down there, though

Very weird that the ghostly train(s) go along the upper (road) bridge instead of the lower (train) bridge.

I responded to the thread, but to put it here as well, the map does rely on particle effects heavily to achieve the look, but I flagged most as weather effects. If you're experiencing FPS issues, that would be the first thing I would recommend turning off to see if it helps. No matter what, I *added* to Doublecross so it's going to be a little worse, but that should put a big dent in it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1o2hccl/i_fk_developer_of_devilcross/

Like you already made the copy pasted version of double cross but winter, you just HAD to make one but for halloween, its just free money glitch

Congrats

congrats

congrats on getting in!

Speky Month!

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Updated to B5!

Changelog:
Continued detailing pass
Adjusted spell spawn timer
Fixed a number of small visual issues
Theoretically fixed stuck train bug

Still tweaking things, if anyone has any additional feedback

@Join Castaways.tf SG Server! bro, picking up intel and receive points for it will make contract too easy even for newbies. Valve won't do that.

I love the detail of the barrels can ignite arrows, more mappers should add things like that to their maps. Is a blessing for huntsman players.

Have you thought on adding fire balls raining from the sky? Like what happens in Cauldron sometimes.

If this ever gets added please please dont forget about the contract.

Helltrain is painful enough we dont need a second one.

Some ideas: pickup intelligence (so we can do drop pickup strat)

Kill skeletons (if any)
Escape underworld (if any)

Very good map, love the look, love Doublecross. Hope Valve considers this map for Scream Fortress.

one of the best reskin

Honest to god I wanna see this one get added

That's pretty fair!

It's mostly to just add a bit of fun and continue the fiery aesthetic to that area which is otherwise isolated from the rest of the map. There are barrels you can jump across, and honestly most of the time flag runners seem to rarely even touch that part of the floor. Especially when you consider the addition of spells to the map that add mobility options to classes, I figured it would be a good way to balance it slightly more, making it a little more hazardous.

Good stuff. I'm just a bit mystified why the flank into the intel room has a hurt trigger. Like I understand it visually but I just wonder how it'd affect gameplay.

For some reason this doesnt work when put on my server

hope this gets added this year

dude... this map looks beast

thank you!

its a one of best event maps
real, i wanna see this map in tf2
(P.S. sorry for my english, im russian)

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