For people who still have this mod on their playsets, I have a new mod which aims to reintroduce the content from the suggestions list on top of the landscape that Paradox sculpted in King of Kings and Winds of change. Not everything I built has been incorporated into it yet, but I hope to add what is appropriate over time. Feel free to check it out and I hope you enjoy it!

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3444984671

@RMS Oceanic I really love your mod series to expand ERE sensibly without artificial debuffs like what 1.36 KoK did. Do you plan to update your mod series to 1.37, and if at all possible either help make it compatible with Europa Expanded or make a standalone mission tree to pair with your mods?

Also, I found a very detailed video on the messy politics in the Aegean that you could use as the basis for a new entry in your series: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS0v1BLPb28)

Please let me know what you think. Also I'd love a Hellenic Religion update added to this one, perhaps what Extended Timeline does for it could be used as a base.

Just so people who enjoy this mod are aware, I unfortunately am not in a position to update it for 1.36. Not only does 1.36's content steal this mod's thunder a little, but I'm in the process of updating my computer. Once I'm established and have experienced what 1.36 has to offer I'll see what can remain as future suggestions.

Will this mod change any when the new DLC drops given that Plethon is actually going to be a 'animist' advisor? (Honestly they should have just made him Zoroastrian as that might have been more accurate)

I am loving these Byz mods focusing on what-ifs! This one in particular is great since Plethon was a fascinating figure

@God of Kringles I haven't actually created a University Monument, you should see the Theodosian Walls alongside Hagia Sophia and The Suleiman Mosque

I got both your monuments mod installed and this one it didn't add a monument in Consatinople

@RMS Oceanic Im looking forward to your mod to add Hellenism.

@Bloodborn I meant my conceit that Neoplatonism eventually evolves into a thing called Plethonism and Plethonism being taught at a formal institution. Still how the Rennaisance interacts with hypothetical-still-alive-Byzantium is a wide space of possibility and there's room for refining my thoughts on it.

@RMS Oceanic The academy did float around for awhile, it never stayed in one place forever, even with the Neoplatonists, hell they(Plethon) had such an impact on Italy there's some Neoplatonic Religo Romana restorationists that are recognized as a religious organization in Italy today.

@Bloodborn Not sure about the Academy itself, as it's an entirely fictional concept, but it could be a good backdoor for the University of Constantinople being refounded. Like the Academy is part of the University sort of thing.

Would you consider making the Plethonist Academy a potential monument at some point rather than just a national modifier?

The other thing to consider is at least through this event chain, it would be filtered through the interests of the Emperor, and I can see parts of the Nomoi not necessarily being commensurate to Imperial ambition. However you slice it it would be a reconstructed religion and its more immediate influences will show.

@RMS Oceanic Extended Timeline's Hellenism (and basically all its other polytheistic faiths) are pretty much "choose your ruler's patron deity upon their ascension to the throne," where different gods present different bonuses. Each different polytheistic faith group has its own bonuses so surprisingly they don't actually copy one another in what each god does to my knowledge. Then of course each polytheistic faith has its own slew of unique events (like Hellenism with events on cults, sacrifice, etc).

Though I do very much agree that Plethon's version of Hellenism would probably take more inspiration from Zoroastrianism than anything, given how other mods like Flavor Universalis (which was absorbed into Europa Expanded) makes the event advisor Plethon follow Zoroastrian faith. Why not some version of Hellenism that can benefit from Zoroastrian monuments? Wouldn't that be funny?

@Bloodborn Agree absolutely, if I end up making my own version of Hellenism, it will be its own mod and there will be room to breathe and think it through carefully. I just hope I leave enough foundation in other places that I don't necessarily have to go back and change huge swathes to accomodate it.

The form of Hellenism that Plethon would have pushed to be established in the Nomoi would be rather... unstable, it's good that it's not implemented in but at the same time I can see how if it was pushed that it would need to be reformed several times to get working as a proper rival to Christianity and Islam.

@RMS Oceanic
Thank you for the fast reply, man! Extended Timeline basically did the work for Hellenism for everybody, I doubt ET guys would mind if you copied their version of it over.

I could see the event being like "As Plethon has gotten older and older, seeing the Catholics and Orthodox fight so bitterly when the real threat is waiting to take Constantinople forever has eroded his faith in Christianity itself. As he is a good friend of the Emperor, he is able to speak privately with him when time permits. He explains his thoughts and offers the Emperor his Book of Laws to read if he so desires."

The choices for the event could be 1. Smile politely and pretend you did not lay your eyes on such heretical nonsense 2. option eventually leading to Hellenism 3. option eventually leading to Zoroastrianism.

Honestly I think both your event and the Norse one should have a smaller MTTH, events that level of rare may as well not exist.

@Astragon, yes, I made the conscious choice to not attempt an implementation of Hellenism as part of this mod because my ideas for how it would happen and its mechanics are not fully fleshed out and would probably be better in its own place. There is a Norse-like event near the end of the chain (including the long MTTH and the Age of Discovery limit, sort of) which very much is designed to be the springboard for that conversion, though in this version of the mod it just grands a nice modifier. If there's an implementation of Hellenism from another mod that takes you fancy, you can consider throwing it in here and just updating the final event to enable conversion. In the meantime I hope you enjoy the event chain and the benefits it grants Byzantium outside of Olympian worship!

All that's missing from this mod, honestly, is the use of Plethon's teachings to reawaken Hellenic faith. Hell, Flavor Universalis (which is not dead but rather merged with Europa Expanded after its dev was hired by PDX) has Plethon as a heavily discounted advisor who is Zoroastrian in faith.

It sounds schizophrenic as all hell, but imagine if there was a way to start an event chain leading to Rome going Zoroastrian. Would be absolutely hilarious.

All my homies HATE plethon and hellenism, Glory to Rome