1.5 update https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3321919013

please 1.5

yea dont work :(

Hey are you going to update this to 1.5?

dont work

@Dragonjspider
There is actually a mod that makes them craftable. Craftable mech components.

I abused this so hard

I am going to abuse this so hard

Is this still neccesary?

I think balance should be 5 basic sub core per component craft. Because I can crank out 20 of them in 5 minutes.

I think that for balancing, only the standard subcore and the high subcore (or only the high subcore) should be able to be used to produce a mechanoid component, and it also would need plasteel and an advanced component to make it into one or two mechanoid components.

For balancing, how about making it so you need the previous tier of subcore to make the next one(or several)? Then also making it so you can't craft the Basic Subcore from Mech Comps? That way you still can build everything, and you still can swap cores to comps, but it takes more time and effort.

我不得不说这个想法很棒，但是我们至少应该移除基础的配方转换，因为它会让我们规避“抓一个囚犯”和“攻打一个机械族基地”的需求

I think the problem lies in what the mech components are worth,
The mech components aren't obtainable without mech raids, but the cores can be made.

So maybe it should be a one way thing instead.
I feel like being able to make the mech components is the stronger thing, so I think converting mech comps into cores is a lot more balanced.

Might be worth making a mod option for disabling/enabling each recipe instead of just removing some of them; some people might like that about this mod.

Mechanoid Enjoyer is probably thinking along these lines - it is possible to make basic cores out of scrap you find lying in a pile. Make 5 of those, and you have 5 mech chips, which previously you could only get by prying out of the grip of a very active and angry death bot hive. Then you can turn those 5 chips into a high core, which previously required a 'volunteer'. So we've gone from needing a genuine costly requirement, to a scrap pile and time.

@PunkyRoo I just feel like maybe removing the recipes for making high subcores with mech components or making mech components with basic subcores should be removed or made vastly more expensive, since the first circumvents the need to sacrifice a human life and the second circumvents needing a mechanoid raid or cluster with just steel.

@Mechanoid Enjoyer Do you have a suggestion of how to balance it. Because the ability to switch between is kinda the core idea of the mod. :D

I feel like making it so that basic subcores can be used to make mech components is a bit overpowered honestly. Likewise with mech components being used to make a high subcore.

I think the idea of a mod that makes VFE:M mechs produce waste packs is valid, I will look into how complicated adding that would be... but then, I feel like it would make the Biotech and VFE:M mech more similar and I think it would be more worthwhile to give value to BOTH mechs. So maybe VFE:M mechs don't produce waste, but maybe there is a trade off? Maybe they are more costly to build... maybe require more power to recharge?

@The Prophet of Groove recipes are found in the fabrication bench, thus also requiring the fabrication base game tech in order to craft the bench.

i might be dumb but i cannot find the recipe anywhere

Yeah, that's the way it should work. VFE Mechanoids are from a time before wastepacks... but it's clear that wastepacks are the way mechanoids are supposed to work now.

I'd argue that maybe the whole automation setup (factories and the like) in the VFE:M mod should produce wastepacks too, at this point.

@Stormline526 I actually would really like that as well

I'd love an "opposite" option of what you propose. Disable VFE mech crafting entirely, make them all gestatable, and make them produce Wastepacks. In short, bring VFE mechs in line with vanilla mechs.

has big bug:
Assault base has no enemies

I think that for the conversion from

Basic subcore to mech. component you would need:

x1 basic Subcore
x10 Components
x3 Advanced Components
x50 Plasteel
x40 Gold

Standard subcore to 2 mech component you would need:

x1 standard subcore
x5 Components
x1 Advanced Component
x30 Plasteel
x10 Gold

High subcore to 3 mech component you would need:

x1 high Subcore
x3 Components
x20 Plasteel

Notice how the ingredients of crafting are going down based on the type of subcore? That's because based on how advanced a core is, turning it into a mech component requires less materials (due to their complexity.)

Now if you want to turn the mech components to subcores, I would suggest that it returns 20% less materials, in order to avoid looping around between recipes. I mean I would do this, but it's your mod lmao

@markhunter @HappyHead @Mr.Exterminatus What do y'all think would be a good balance for the other recipes? I would ideally like to create a situation where there is some conversion back and forth. Including making High Subcores (since some people like the idea of producing them without murder for roleplaying purposes).

@markhunter @HappyHead @Mr.Exterminatus Great points! That does makes a lot of sense to view the VFE mech as more advanced... in some sense... since they don't produce waste, etc. Let me ponder this more... and I'll update the mod.

@Mekbad Sure.... but you can abuse the mods (and base game) in a lot of ways to power-level. I want as much flexibility as possible into converting from one to the other.

@Duncanois that was actually a big reason I made this. As much as "ethical" seems to be antithetical to Rimworld. :D

@markhunter's suggestion gets a +1 from me.
There's another mod which simply removes the buildable mechs from VFE. Since mech components are used for the factory buildings, a reverse operation recipe may be all that's required to balance without conflicting with modders who've cut VFE's buildable mechs.

@markhunter is right. Right now, I could just create more basic subcores and turn them into advanced mechanoid components. After I have 5, I could turnTHEM into a High Subcore and then boom free Centipede.

there is a reason why Biotech mechs Produce Waste and VFEM not
vfem mechs are just drones while biotech ones are semi liveing

I've been waiting for something like this to mesh the two kinds of mechs. Good work.

Thanks for this! I especially love the idea of making subcores craftable using mech components, espicially the high subcores...makes it easier for a more 'ethical' playthrough

Nice mod

A balance sugestion I have would be

2 Basic Subcore + 1 Advanced Componend = 1 Mechanoid Component

With that there would be a reason why Biotech mechs Produce Waste and VFEM not

@TurtleShroom Thanks for the reminder! Updated.

Awesome work! For attribution and Valve compliance (respectively), you need to list the VFEM Mod in the Side Bar and mark the "Biotech" EP.