what item pool would you find the item in??

KING CRIMSON!

I get why so many people are confused as to how KC's ability works, but honestly after thinking about it for a little bit it makes perfect sense. Fated actions play out as well as diavalos without him actually there and he reappears where he positioned himself. And to me the mod replicates this pretty well.

I don't understand where to find this item???

Using the item as the forgotten and using his melee attack doesn't end the time skip. I assume it should.

This thread got a bit out of hand lmao. Being the controversial ability that is King Crimson (probably the most discussed ability in JoJo), there will always be people that disagree with the design. I just took the most widely accepted interpretation of his ability, which perfectly explains all the situations in the manga and the anime where the ability is being used, namely the one given in Hamon Beat's video (and the JoJo wiki where he drew inspiration from, I would presume).

Yes.

*insert Gigachad gif*

NERRRDDDSSS

Or for the reason that different people have different opinions the real best option would be to let the player choose how this mod will work (in mod settings or something like that). Though I guess it will take some time and effort to code every variation

Moreover, if we take into consideration that Isaac's main weapon is tears (or blood and many other things), which are part of his body (at least the moment they are shot and before that), he only should be able to shoot them himself (like Diavolo shot his blood into Polnareff's eyes), so they shouldn't be able launch themselves as they're not separate objects as guns in your example. Alas this logic creates one more problem. Diavolo shot blood to blind enemies, which isn't that strong so is kinda balanced, but Isaac doing the same with his tears is able to kill mobs because of magic and artefacts, so this is "version" isn't looking good either, cause Isaac could shoot with skipped time just as easily as without it.

What I think would be the best option, is neither let tears shoot themselves, nor let Isaac do it, solely for the reason that such experience would feel just like in JoJo, because usually Diavolo neither throws objects in skipped time nor uses his body to harm anyone

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That very hole would appear during the skipped time (because it's bound to happen by fate), and Diavolo not only wouldn't be revealed, but he wouldn't have to move an inch to kill anyone. It's most certainly not that he missed that opportunity either - he used it (if it works like that in the first place) to deal with Trish's hand, Narancia and the fortune teller.

Damn it, Steam doesn't let me post a comment larger than 1000 symbols.

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Thank you, StaticMask, for the explanation. But I stil cannot be sure that KC works like explained in the video. What I think, if it actually worked that way, Diavolo wouldn't have to launch the attacks moments before time resuming (which he often does) - he could use the same strategy he used to severe Trish's hand in every battle (e.g. when fighting Bruno first time or Polnareff on the stairs): knowing his ability and how it works (according to the video), Diavolo (standing around a corner for example) would think: "I can jump around the corner, run towards who I am fighting, punch a hole through them, run away and hide behind the same corner. Yeah, I'm gonna do that." And then erase time.

Руинер, the reason there is a bot during skipped time is because that's how king crimson works. For more explanation: Let's say you were to pick up a gun from a table and then shoot someone in the head in the next few seconds. You erase time before this happens however, but the gun is still picked up and shoots the person in the head. This is because the action was fated to happen. Diavolo constantly states something to the effect of "King crimson will erase all actions leaving only the consequences!".

The tears appearing suddenly is the bot shooting, it is invisible because as stated above tears were fated to appear and shoot the enemy. This is the best way to simulate king crimson (because you can't actually predict fate in video games). And before you ask, yes, fate is real in JOJO.

If you're confused by my explanation (I doubt I'm good at explaining things like this) you can watch a video on the subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ZiDJw_Sns&t=1s

Or is the bot needed for mobs to react to them? Ok then, I get it

Oh, I just found something else. If you use it, while The Forgotten's bone is in the air, the time skip will be canceled, but there will be the effect of it and the appearance of the room (floor and walls) will be "rerolled" into random stage's appearance

But why there should be a bot during the skipped time? The player is aware of everyrhing and should be acting himself. Also the time skip happens to be quite wacky when I use it, some tears spawn out of nowhere near enemies and start attacking them.
And it's a pity the time doesn't resume when The Forgotten attacks. King Crimson is meele after all, and I would love to get the full experience of being a villain

it just works (but seriously though, refer to the JoJo stand ability of the same name).

can you explain what this item does as if I was a child? i don't get it.

Why didn't you make the sprite just King Crimson.

it just works

i don't understand how it works, so, this item is canon

Yee, nice. I did see a mod on the workshop that allowed multiple mods to use shaders without overwriting but it's dead unfortunately

Yeah, the shaders seem to be incompatible with other mods that have their own complex shaders or for Linux players. Will see what I can do about that and will add this to the mod desc for future releases.

Found out what was causing the black screen issue for me. Job and Arcade Cabinets are incompatible with this. Had to remove all mods and delete shaders.xml

This is most likely a shader conflict with some other mods. Either disable the mods that cause this, or you can list all the problematic mods by DMing me.

Wish i could use this mod, unfortunately when it's enabled my screen is jsut black. The game runs fine in the background, I can hear it, but nothing renders.

The Touhou Reverie mods do this too, and i have no idea how to fix it. Lot of really fun mods the game's jsut not letting me use :(

Yes, I am planning on adding EID support on the next release, and I like your suggestion :D

Regarding your point: During the effect onset the player is intangible, so he cannot collide with other objects, which includes the grid entities like rocks and pits (at least that is what the manga and anime of JoJo would suggest when his ability is used, for ex. bullets go through him, he goes through iron bars/pillars, etc.). The bot does not take pickups automatically due to balancing reasons (still thinking about how I should proceed with this point in future releases), so you have to be careful not to be stuck between rocks/pits by yourself.

Also I have not tested god head, will look into it and fix it if I consider it broken as of now.

all so a funny thing you may need too do it too add the description mod compatibility. and add the phrase "it just work's" in it

ok. i was in a room where there a chest whit 4 tile of pit/rock blocking it.
i was testing a "if" and find out that king crimson ignores pit and rock.
you can guess what happen after that.
all tho you can quit the run and go back in too fix it. i think a inti-idiot build in it wod by nice.

btw god head is simi-broken tho im not sure
(sorry for trash englich)

Could you clarify your third point a bit?

ok this item is realy cool im not gonna lie.
but i think there some TODO.
1 the gfx need lot polish. but i do agree that the bot need too be better 1st.
2 car battery synergy but you all ready know that.
3 i find a way to soft-lock pretty rapidly will going for a chest. that need to be fix

KING CRIMSON!

hit from Dragon Ball Super as a playable Isaac character