While a being a great map for grinding fight, operation metro/locker style, the map itself is not friendly to vehicles, there are plenty of chokepoints that vehicles can pile up and decimated by artillery or AT guns, invisible wall also screw up infantry navigation somewhat; its a great map if you want to play a match that can last for hours.

I hate this map with a burning passion, If i could describe this map in one word it would be "Hell".
Hills that don't make sense, trenches that dose not work, one choke point that will make u rage, crying rn.

Amazing map.

@okrstic0 Thinking the same thing LMAO

This map gives me wood, you're a legend.

i really quite like this map. Frosty hit the nail on the head, its a great map for learning new playstyles and units as well as stress testing old ones

Great for people who are new to this game, it is more of a matter of pushing forward rather than to be worried about all your directions adding to complexity.
Gives me time as a noobie to experiment and try out the different units, well done map!

Loved it. Use Infantry Assault on this map, its great.

Fitting, considering the British forces are coming soon. Oh the memories many of those soldiers will relive~ Aaaaaand then everyone just drives around everything and nobody even touches the trenches and they fight somewhere else. :/

The thing with this map, is that whoever controls the one small little pathway (the only pathway that players 1 and 2 can get things into the battlefield, mind you) pretty much wins. I've played it, and if you get pushed back to that, good luck.

Very nice map and one of my favorites. I've lost count how many times I've played it against the AI. You need to set it for 2 Vs 2 on expert though for some decent challange though.

not recommended for battle against an ai - really, don't try it with an ai. don't say i did'nt warn you...

Fantastic map for hard bottlenecks battle!
Only one thing: it seems that retreating infantry often stops before reaching the base, so the ai dont reinforce and continue to send in battle 1 man squads. It is a real bug or not?

This is an awful map, and you should feel awful.

Excellent map for bottleneckers like myself. We need more like this. Keep it up man!

Hi habe mal eine Frage, was muss man machen, das ander Leute die map downloaden können?
Ingame selber können die Spieler die Map nicht downloaden warum?

@Jaktai: Indented to create more come-back scenarios vs AI.

Great map for defending at the middle, but there are some too narrow bottlenecks at both ends, possibly due to terrain not smoothed out making a sharp edge.

I have a new favourite map. Thumbs up. Thanks ;D

What about creating the deployment/base zone around your HQ only big enough to build the starting infantry building?

can you make another Verdun scenario with only infantry and artilery and a lot of parallel trench lines protected with mg nests across the map?

@Internet Tough Guy: Doesn't look that good at the moment. Relic broke a lot of things with the addon. Yes, we mappers enjoy the new props and textures, but there is also a lot of broken stuff (Infantry bridges anyone) including the ability to make a working infantry-only script. Please go to Relic and smash their windows so we get a simple option for the skirmish lobbies so we can play infantry-only on any map we want!

Verdun Infantry only??? Can that happen?

been waiting forever for a good trench war defence bash map to play

@ReLictoRs88
Wrong war, but good historical reference.

Thank you for keeping your promise you made on July the 2nd to make a seperate version for more resources and population instead of changing this one :)

I'll have a look at the infantry-only thing, but no promises, yet.

An infantry only version would be awesome!

This is a very good map, the maker should be highly commended, and i wouldnt be surprised if this was added into the game. Well done.

Into the valley of death rode the light brigade

Loved the map but did have quite a bit of issues with tanks getting stuck. Once that is worked out 5 star map.

great map i love it. only thing that bothers me is too much water cant build alot of defenses in middle. hurts defensively. love map tho

good map but needs flanking patrens

@Ludgar313: I think I found what you meant and fixed it. Thanks for the report.

It was realy fun just one problem. It seemed as though there was an invisable wall just past the middle of the map on team #2 (players #5, 6, 7, and 8) where the trees make a 90 degree. On the oposet side of the road neither my tanks or infantry could move into the field without going down the road past the trees and then dublebacking into the feild. It might just be me but there was enough room for my troops to move through but didn't.

great map

es muy bueno

Amazing map! I've done US vs East germany and the moment the german got tanks I got pushed back completly but because of how the map is set up I could get really defensive and keep them off for a while, after an hour I could build up an army again and demolished everything with 3 tanks, one anti tank vehicle and 3 squads of infantry and felt like a victor.
This was hard AI btw

Thank you for this fantastic map :)

Verified this with both Soviets and German forces - no unit will fire from inside the concrete pillbox.

Garrizoning it with a Maxim team gives the MG42 firing arc indicator, but they still won't fire out.

I strongly suspect now that it's an issue present only for those who do not own WFA, if this isn't something that happens to you.

Could somebody else with base game only check this?

German (base game) MG teams as well as grenadiers teams. Neither would fire from inside. The wooden shacks do work perfectly, just not the concrete placements.

Not sure if it's pertinent, but I don't have WFA.

Just made a test game. Can't confirm that. Volksgrenadiers at least are shooting perfectly well. Which race/unit did you put in which bunker exactly so I can try to reproduce it. Maybe there actually is some unit combination which doesn't work, but so far it doesn't look that way.

Just an FYI - the flat pillboxes (square concrete bunker thingies) do not seem to allow shooting out of them.

I had no luck getting either infantry or MG squads to fire from the inside.

I made an alternate version, called Frontline Edition, which has 125 pop-cap and pop-cap and resources are increased, if you play with less than 4 players on a team. Meaning, if you play solo, you will have 4x more resources and 500 pop-cap. I think this is a good compromise.

This vanilla version here HAS NOT changed and never will it be changed.

If you like it even more crazier, check out the Frontline Edition. Link in the DISCUSSION section above.

Good !

Awsome map ;D

Thank you, author, for considering the 500 pop cap separate upload.

I have to say, people who object to having an alternative with high pop cap for those of us who want the kind of clusterfuck it produces piss me off. Nobody forces you to play that way, so don't force your preferences on my game.

Thank god host. When idiots want unlimmited pop/res u cant play them online properly and i like to plays theese as custom lobbies

!!!

Spectacular map please make more of these types

p.s. Jeah, I've been to France a couple times and I saw the Normandy coastal bunkers and even Verdun from the inside. There is no valley near Verdun which looks like that and Verdun was in fact WW1. But these memories certainly helped me draft the overal look and feel for the map. To sum things up: this is supposed to be a fun-map, not a historical battle. The only thing which is historically correct about this is that it was one giant big a*s meatgrinder.