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Ye Olde Mappe

Amazing map! I really want more of them with that style! Maybe a bigger one with more water?

Hi, this map looks cool, but it might be useful to provide a manual download, otherwise we have to root about in the steamapps folder for it if we want to upload it to the servers we use for our multiplayer games. Thanks anyway!

Fair points. I ran several MP games now with the map and with 10-11 land nations and 1-2 water nations it's just about perfect. 12 land players might be a bit tight, but then again my player circle doesn't like vast maps where you can expand without conflict for 2 years.

Again, this doesn't make it a bad map (particularly for blitzes) but it does mean that it probably isn't a comfortable map for >10 nations despite promising province-to-nation rations - and it'll probably never be a comfortable map for underwater nations. This is a very open map that by its design will channel successful players to strong early-game nations and bless rush strategies.

Re: overall carrying capacity... the high connectivity really does reduce it. See the included spreadsheet screenshot for an example of a typical 12+2 starting layout Every nation has 1+ nation whose cap circle is at most one province from their cap circle. Both UW nations have cap circles overlapping a land nation's cap circle. The best nation for elbow room is Marignon, and it is three provinces from Scelaria, 4 from Xib, and 5 from Ashdod and R'lyeh. Ulm's start is the worst with 3 nations whose cap circles touch its cap circle, and 2 more are only 3 away. Note also that while the map does have many chokepoints, with the exception of the seas they're all soft chokepoints, so for flying nations the map is almost entirely open (and amphibious isn't far off). Even with land-based nations, the high connectivity means the distance between capitals is generally at most 1 more than these minimums.

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2218554385

Re: the issues with UW provinces all being coastal - sea shape matters. The snakier of the two seas will probably take 5 turns to travel from an owning UW nation's capital to their furthest province even if they only own the 10 sea provinces. A land-based nation of 12-15 typically will be able to travel from its capital to its furthest province in 2-3 turns. The other sea is not as bad - it's probably 2-3 turns from cap to border - but it's still not as good as land nations - and again, every province is coastal so the distance from the start of their "safe haven" that justifies their weaker position to their capital will never be more than 1 turn.

I just realized the winter overlay was missing. That's fixed now.

Hi, thanks for the good looking map!

When you get a chance would you please update the description with the recommended and max number of thrones and nations?

Thanks for the feedback. I fixed the unclickable provinces now so all should be good.

58, 208 and 210 are now caves and the forest and kelp provinces are properly flagged.

Beautiful map- I appreciate the work AND sharing it- very cool! A couple questions- areas 58, 208, 210 - they look like a cave symbol maybe but don't seem to have the cave attribute. Likewise what appears to be kelp at 60 and 62 for example. Lastly, it seems areas meant to be forest show as plain provinces.