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[TPPL] King Leonidas 2016 年 9 月 24 日 上午 7:38
Panzer N And Panzer M has wrong amount of armour
The turret Armour on the front of the panzer 3M should be atleast 70. or 72 since its High Rolled hardness armour compared to normal RHA if RHA its 100% High rolled its 105%. same goes for the front armour ;P . panzer 3 N should have 70-72 MM front armour aswelll . but not the turret

引用自 Normand：
[HOS]KingLeonidas, may you give some web-source links for this info?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IbZGfTgUM https://youtu.be/aPfgmUwiJMA heres about the diffrent armour types. while i find some sources. and pictures





引用自 Normand：
[HOS]KingLeonidas, may you give some web-source links for this info?
<16:30:26> "King Leonidas": http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-iii.htm

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Panzer_III.php

Further down you can see Armour dimensions

Or you can be Lazy And just take a look at the photos

. correction is that High rolled armour is 105% better then RHA which is 100% and Cast is 90-95% it Varies. or you could do it easy and just add 70.

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Tell me if you need more info
最后由 [TPPL] King Leonidas 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 24 日 上午 7:40
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Normand  [开发者] 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 3:23 
Pz III Ausf. M in Valour mod has 70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor.
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436111076111159192/4643F1C3D4BB96094D88C6B7DC816C2373F6FC76/

Pz III Ausf. M flame version has same armor values (70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor).

Pz III Ausf. N has original game armor values (50mm + 10mm shields armor).

What is your point?
最后由 Normand 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 3:28
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 3:31 
引用自 Normand：
Pz III Ausf. M in Valour mod has 70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor.
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436111076111159192/4643F1C3D4BB96094D88C6B7DC816C2373F6FC76/

Pz III Ausf. M flame version has same armor values (70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor).

Pz III Ausf. N has original game armor values (50mm + 10mm shields armor).
Then the Panzer 3 N should be changed to 20mm plus Shield armour. if you dont factor in that its high hardness rolled Steel
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Normand  [开发者] 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 3:54 
But I have info that German steel had very bad quality at the 1944 and 1945 war period.

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/02/06/on-german-armour/
最后由 Normand 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 4:01
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 4:02 
引用自 Normand：
But I have info that German steel had very bad quality at the 1944 and 1945 war period.
Yeh but these Tanks are 1943 and 1942 . i mean the front plate also has reinforced 20mm plate in the front hull. on the Panzer N. And i'm not talking about Steel Qauilty thats whole other matter i'm Talking about. Cast Armour . And Rolled homogeneous armour And High Hardness Rolled Homogenous Armour. in the youtube videos i sent you can hear about the diffrence.

The extra Front Armour on these Tanks are High Hardness Rolled Homogenous armour. why it wasen't use alot was that it took a long time to make. and it created Spalling even if it diden't penetrate. but this are Front Addon Extra Armour so the Spalling part woulden't matter. and the extra chance/ resistance to penetration it would give. would be better.

So if we go by the 105% That would make the plate 21mm Of Normal Rolled Homogenous Armour.

We could use skip this and just make it 20 though
最后由 [TPPL] King Leonidas 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 4:17
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Normand  [开发者] 2016 年 9 月 25 日 上午 11:49 
Fixed
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 2016 年 9 月 25 日 下午 12:18 
引用自 Normand：
Fixed
okay what about the panzer M not having 100mm pen heat Shell? ;P only thinking of 2 though
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Normand  [开发者] 2016 年 9 月 25 日 下午 2:02 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/7,5-cm-KwK_37
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT)-70; Gr.38 Hl/C (HEAT) -100
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 2016 年 9 月 26 日 上午 7:09 
引用自 Normand：
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/7,5-cm-KwK_37
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT)-70; Gr.38 Hl/C (HEAT) -100
Gr. 38HL/C … Hohlladung Ausf. C 5,00 kg 450 m/s 100 mm 100 mm 100 mm 100 mm yeh its here. the Panzer N dosen't have it which i found weird
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Normand  [开发者] 2016 年 9 月 26 日 上午 7:41 
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT) has been selected )
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 2016 年 9 月 26 日 上午 8:19 
引用自 Normand：
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT) has been selected )
Wasen't that the early Heat Rounds. Panzer N was Pretty late probaly would have used GR. 38HL/C. although in limited
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