Cities: Skylines

Cities: Skylines

TM:PE 11.9.3.0 STABLE (Traffic Manager: President Edition)
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 27 日 上午 1:42
Latest update & Sunset Harbour causing problem with Network Extensions 2
When I load an pre update city, it starts "paused". As soon as I run the simulation, it crashes. No errors, the program just disappears.

I can start a new map with all my mods, no problems encountered.
I disable TM:PE - my old save runs fine.
I disable Network Extensions 2, enable TM:PE - works fine (apart from a lot of broken roads).

Just reporting my initial findings for the moment. I will keep analysing, let you know if I find anything interesting.

I am not too sure where to look for logs, but let me know if there is anything I can add



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Krzychu1245  [开发者] 2020 年 3 月 27 日 上午 5:21 
Thank you for investigation. Log Files location[github.com]
Is this issue happens when you start new game or always when you are load old savegame? Could you send a link to your save game or create new (if happens on new game)? Info how to share savegame[github.com]
We have hard time to reproduce this issue and the problem is that personally I always have both mods enabled and I've never experienced that. There must be 3rd mod which somehow breaks compatibility between TM:PE and NExT2.
NExT2 is not 100% compatible with Sunset Harbor, but everything worked very well for me
yesterday.
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 27 日 上午 6:38 
This happens on a saved 100K city. I have since loaded other similar cities and they have worked. So far, I have only found one city that crashes.

BTW, I am running on linux with every possible DLC loaded.

I have removed all mods, apart from TMPE and NExT2 - still crashes.
When I remove NExT2 I can see lots of broken roads - ie I have made extensive use of Network Extensions on this map.

I'll get time over the weekend to narrow it down further, sort out the logs, and share the save.
Krzychu1245  [开发者] 2020 年 3 月 27 日 上午 6:44 
Thanks for quick response. Pause after loading is new feature added in Sunset Harbor, you can turn it off in game options. If crash occurs just after simulation start we will need the log and preferably that savegame to be able to reproduce it.
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 3:24 
Update: Network Extensions 2 seems to have a zoning problem with tiny roads. (I can't quite follow the comments on their workshop page). There is a recommendation to turn off all the items under the bus and tool tabs in the options. I found that if I also turn off all the tiny roads, I can now run my city.

In summary, the incompatibility is with NExT2 tiny roads. I am trying to create a minimal reproduction. Sometimes the game just closes with no messages, but occasionally it stays but all the traffic is frozen.

For anyone who needs a workaround - Go to the options in the launcher, choose Network Extensions 2 and uncheck all the options under "Tiny", "Bus" and "Tools". The drawback is that any tiny road in your city will have disappeared.
Cybaertiger 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 3:57 
so, stupid question: How do you even access the "Bus" and "Tools" section? For me they are offscreen to the right with no scroll option ...
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 4:27 
https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2037801073

This is a new creation from a Sunset Harbour map. Only the Network Extensions 2 mod was turned on, and I created my little village using all the tiny roads.

Now if I turn on TMPE, load the city and unpause the animation, it just hangs (no traffic movement).
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 4:39 
引用自 Beda
so, stupid question: How do you even access the "Bus" and "Tools" section? For me they are offscreen to the right with no scroll option ...

Tricky. Its all nicely laid out on my screen. I even tried changing to a lower screen resolution, but those tabs remained clickable.
Cybaertiger 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 4:50 
引用自 MortimerCat
引用自 Beda
so, stupid question: How do you even access the "Bus" and "Tools" section? For me they are offscreen to the right with no scroll option ...

Tricky. Its all nicely laid out on my screen. I even tried changing to a lower screen resolution, but those tabs remained clickable.

Weird. I am on 1920x1080, probably should have mentioned it. Anyway, disabling TMPE worked - for one hour. Now I get a different error. Guess I will just wait a couple of days until everything is smooth again.
Krzychu1245  [开发者] 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 4:56 
引用自 MortimerCat
https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2037801073

This is a new creation from a Sunset Harbour map. Only the Network Extensions 2 mod was turned on, and I created my little village using all the tiny roads.

Now if I turn on TMPE, load the city and unpause the animation, it just hangs (no traffic movement).

I will check for sure, many thanks!
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 4:59 
I am confused now! I was getting the hanging on two different PC's, one Windows, one Linux. I just fired it up again so I can grab the logs, and I cannot get it to go wrong!
Krzychu1245  [开发者] 2020 年 3 月 27 日 下午 5:02 
Yeah, that's why I said it's very weird bug, pretty hard to track :winter2019sadyul:
Jakiplo 2020 年 3 月 30 日 上午 2:22 
By "tiny roads" you mean roads that are smaller than the normal vanilla street ?(2 lane 2 way/ 2 lane one way) I have not tried to load my game yet, but if the problem is only on these tiny roads i shouldn't get any issue since i have not used any of them i think in my 2 cities.
最后由 Jakiplo 编辑于; 2020 年 3 月 30 日 上午 2:24
MortimerCat 2020 年 3 月 30 日 上午 3:33 
Thats right. It is all those narrow lanes that appear in the "Tiny Roads" tab, alongside the original two-lane gravel road.

Another tip: When loading a pre-update map, use TMPE to clear all the traffic as soon as it starts. I discovered I had cars parked in the middle of the road that were blocking the rest of the traffic and a bus hanging over the edge of a cliff (like the Italian Job). A fresh batch of vehicles seemed to be generating sane coordinates.
Jakiplo 2020 年 4 月 3 日 上午 5:12 
I found in the comment section of Network Extensions 2 someone saying that the mod "zone it!" could have issues with the tiny roads.
MortimerCat 2020 年 4 月 3 日 下午 5:03 
Just a brief update. I can run with both mods enabled for most of the time. Suddenly, a city will not load as described above. I retry loading a few times, it just disappears.

The only way I can get it working again is to turn off TMPE and the city loads straight away. I let that run for a few minutes, turn on TMPE back on again and reload. It works again.

The weird part is that I am using the same saved city file, why would that give different outcomes?



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