so far it looks good.

Thanks! Hope you enjoy it! Honestly been ages since I played this game so hope everything still works okay.

haven't used it yet but the screenshots look good. I love EC so it's cool to see it added to galciv

The shipstyle is included in the terran confederation civ file. You shouldn't need to download the separate shipstyle if you've got the civ. But if you already did an easy fix is to edit, then copy the civ and add the shipstyle manually under the appearance menu. This is assuming the newest DLC didn't break anything as I've yet to get around to buying it.

i download all mods but when i play with terran confe. faction then it cames with defualt terran ships ? how can i fix it ?

Thanks! Glad you enjoy it :)

this is fantastic. great work and thanks for taking the time to do these.. they're great good work

Citizen portraits and names flavortext added.

Clarkson Jammer Variant (Beam support), Shipstyle/ Civ updated

Gettysburg Supercruiser is posted.

Bengal Strike carrier is posted

Thanks! Yeah I'm anxious to fill out the Ship style. Almost there, mainly just need the huge ships now. Next is the Waterloo I think, which will be the large cruiser.

Ok, thanks. :) I had just been fearing it might have been removed and thus might break my saves...


P.S.: *WOW* - you added a lot of ships recently ( and good ones at that ) , congrats. :)

I left it up, I just removed it from the colection, last few pages on my workshop. or just search drayman and you'll see a drayman old. (new one might not be reverse compatible)

I think the most I've run was like 40 on an insane map. That was actually the game I startyed making WC ships on and it went on for like 6 months off and on.

Btw. - what happened to Drayman v1 ?
Or am I mixing things up there?

Ehh - borgified Kilrathi? Not an idea to ease one's sleep, I guess. ;) ( though still better then what I did with STA1 & 2 - Ever seen cloaked fusion-cubes? ;o) - And I didn't stop there... )

As for mapsizes & player-count - yep, I set up some of my games too full, too - going back to my first save, I can only wonder why space's suddenly so empty... ;) ( did you ever try 70+ empires in a match? ;) )

Kilrathi Faction uploaded, Crusader with ship set, Workshop ships ATM but it's pretty cool having them in the mix. I was just playing a medium map game with Confed and 4 other civs (Way too small...map sizes are still screwy...and it recommended 8!), 3 random and Kilrah...and of course Kilrah was the first one I came accross...and also the Cylons...and the Borg...I was not having a lucky day. ...was cool tho :)

That's why I assumed it to be a common glitch ( like missing your semicolon or such, though propably on a higher level ) .

Oh I know...but it sure feels awfully famiiar.

Propably some common and easily-overlooked coding-error? Dunno ofcourse, just speculating because I don't think they included GC2-code at that point...

As for GC2 bugs...yeah...same crap with the ship designer. When you save over a ship/template it doubles the ship in the game instead of replacing it...sometimes it goes away on restart...mostly not. And god forbid you should want to delete ANYTHING....crashes everytime.....back in GC2 I always hought it was a memory bug...but I have 16gigs now...not running low at all.

I think it just copied the workshop content...but all the factions from the old version are a little wonky since the abilities etc are different. Origionally I subscribed to my own ships and killed my faction subcriptions until I have the patience to fix them or they get updated...but wierd things happened on day 2...like dup[licate templates etc...so I tried unsubing, cleaning up my folder and copying the old files over. they all work but they are a bit wonky...I see that tiny avater thing on a bunch of workshop ships but never had it happen to me. also when you select them they are all zoomed all the way out for some reason..ugh. anyway...resubbed to my ships and kept my old files as backup in case I need to edit.

GC2- bugs? ouch...

And yes, I also heard the game-changes are quite substantial.

Eh, I guess I'll experience the reverse-compatibility of your ships one way or another...

And yes, I just now read that about the different subfolder, too.


...when you say, "it tries porting and fails", does it mess with files in the original folder, or are you speaking of the files you copied over?

That said I did update the faction in Crusade, and the Venture Recon...finally found my origional file and shrunk that dish a bit. Going forward I have no idea of reverse compatibility.

I had a rough time of it with ships. It doesn't delete them it makes a new directory for local files call GC3Crusade...I think it trys to port over but fails. I still have my old files but they are messed up. look fine in game but the PNG's are missing parts or blank or super tiny. I ended up just subscribing to my own ships lol, only way to get them working right.

Probably best to wait as there are definately bugs in this new DLC...like old GC 2 bugs even...like not being able to delete ships or templates without a CTD. otherwise seems good...I suck at it though. It's a whole new game.

Have fun with Crusade :) - though for me it'll have to wait, sadly ( old savegames to finish still, plus I heard it deletes shipdesigns ).

And making the Bengal a cargo-hull isn't a bad idea ( actually I quite like it ) - although story-wise, the Tarawa should be the cargo-hull, of course... ;)

Also...new parts to play with WOOO!

Wondering if I shouldn't make the Bengal a Cargo Hull so it fits in the Ship style or leave it. Was going to make it large but now that I look at some of these ships they are twice the size of the destroyers (which are twice the size of the venture)

Also...damn I wish there were more medium ships from first few games. All the capitol ships of the late game were as big as the confederaion for some reason.

Ahem... "WCP" usually references Prophecy instead of Privateer ( or at least so I think ) .
Just mentioning so misunderstandings can be prevented better. :)

Good that you want to do them, ofcourse. :)

Seems I found a nice Hakaga-workaround... Front reminds of the Tiger's Claw ( plus a small Kilrathi-style "fork" underneath ), while the rear reminds of the Hakaga - or at least that's my impression :) :

Link is here .

Hm - the Stiletto I'd actually like, but then it's mostly a shrunken version of the Moningstar... ;)

Privateer ships were definately on my list when I started, but that was a LONG list lol.Now that I look at it if I just limit it to the Confed ships it's only 4 more. I think I had all the civillian ships ships in there as well. I do want the talon and the stilletto.

Yep, there's a lot - also Privateer, Armada, WC4, WCP... and propably Arena by now, though I don't consider that one canon, since its' handling of the story is too rough and simple. The ships looked nice, though (judging from what I saw at the CIC-forum).

( Privateer 2 is too loosely connected, so leaving that one out makes sense, too )

At the moment no, since that's a slippery slope. In Galciv II I was making all the ships and that's a daunting task...endless. I actually gave up on this game for a while too since it was missing so many features from 2. the coming expansion has inspired me though. The missing espianage and custom ship styles really was a deal breaker

Hm - I got in late, and bought the DLCs shortly after (or maybe even directly) , so I can't really judge how it was before... As I said, his Dralthi Mk.1 does look quite good, though. :)


Atm. I'm mostly playing other games ( partly because of waiting for the expansion - not being able to design my whole fleet at start is a bit annoying ) , but eventually I'd like to try the Nephilim at some point... though that point may be far off yet. ( those organic shapes aren't exactly easy to do right... :/ )

And since I just mentioned the Nephilim - are you going to do the WCP Confed ships, too?

Me thinks alot of the older WC designs on here were made before there was ship builder DLC :)

I'll definately think about making those Kilrathi ships after I fill out Confed

Thanks for pointing it out :) , but actually I already subscribed to his list.


And I don't want to speak bad of someone else's work, but... except for his Dralthi Mk.1 there certainly is a noticeable difference in quality to your ships, I think.

And admittedly I had forgotten that he also has a Hakaga in there - oops.


P.S.: Looking forward to your next ships. :)

I've had the begginings of the gettysburg for weeks now, It might be next. It's possible I'll finish the Morningstar and maybe the crossbow before it gets finished though. I'm also doing my own version of the Bengal.

warblefly41.45 already has a collection of Kilrathi ships. Who knows though.

Nice. :)

Which ships are next? Would like to see Morningstar and Confederation-class (aka Concordia...) ;)
Waterloo would be nice for the transition to the really large ships...



Also, are you considering to do Kilrathi ships, too?
I would especially like to see the Hakaga with your level of quality - though that would likely prove to be a ton of work for you...


Anyway, these are just suggestions. :)

Sabre and A-17 Broadsword are done.

... ideally, at least. I found that the "save as part" sometimes also leaves out central parts for whatever reason.
May have to do with the detection of if it's mirrored, I think...

And you may at least have to leave and re-enter the editor for the new part to show up, maybe even save and re-load.

Also, ships made from custom parts too seem to not like being saved as yet again a new part... Judging from my experience, at least.

Since I started with WC 1, I personally see the Raptor/Gratha/Jalthi as "early bomber", but people who started later might admittedly find that odd... ;)



Also, as for the conversion of ships between sizes:

When you are in the ship-editor and select multiple parts of your ship, there's an option in the bottom right of the screen, the tooltip of which reads "save as part".
So, select all of your ships' parts, then save the whole as single part, start a new ship with the blank box base, add your new part twice ( since auto-mirrored parts are not included in the new one ) and flip one of them over. Finished.

I mean, ultimately, fighters are fighter sized after all. It's cool they can be converrted in size. I've read that a few places too but havn't tried it in galciv3. In 2 I could just edit the files manualy. Aprreciate all the input. :)

Also, as for WCnews, only thing i've come accross on there that's out of wack is the Exeter/gettysburge for some reason use the same pic. other than that they have every manual and insert up for download as pdf. Usefull for blueprints!

Also, as for sizes, keep in mind that in my current game I just got Large hulls. At my tech level my small ships get around 100 points inside, when I believe they started out at what? 50?
If you figure A-17 as a relatively early bomber and then consider the A-18 as a successor... with miconization all that stuff should fit.

P.S.: Wait, my WC Academy manual points out the same length as you did, but on the other hand a LOT more armour/shields then the Broadsword - add to that the additional engines and guns, and I really think it should be the same size...

But, to repeat, it's your decision. :)

Whatever - after all I should be able to import them via "save as part" to other shipsizes... ;)


Just one more (admittedly lengthy) note for the Crossbow:

Yes, it has less turrets, but it also is a bit faster and a LOT more maneuverable then the Broadsword, plus has more main guns, roughly the same amount of misiles and also slightly stronger defenses, I think.
Basicly, the turrets have been switched out for more engines/thrusters, some additional guns and a little bit armour/shields.

So I'd make it medium, too, but after all it's your decision. :)


As for the reported sizes ( personally don't 100% trust either the wcnews statistics nor my old book... ) - was there any ingame cutscene with both flying alongside??

Okay then, I think A-17 in small and since it obviously comes after the A-14 it just has to wait for more miniturization to fit all those turrents, whatcha think?

But then from an in game perspective it kinda sucks to not have the tech to build the A-17 until after you have A-18's so hmmm....Regardless I'm not going to remake all the medium fighters as tiny, that's way to much work. I just slap less stuff on a rapier II than I do a raptor so it's cheaper to build and has less hitpoints.

Well from Wing Commander Encyclopedia [www.wcnews.com] which lists all the manuals as a referance it says the crossbow was designed as a smaller more manuverable alternative to the A-17 (A-18 at 24 meters, A-17 at 36). In galciv by size it probably makes more sense to have them both in the small size hull, but the A-17 has so many turrrents, missles and just plain BFG's that I was probably going to make it in a medium hull anyway. I made all the "light fighters" tiny, the medium and heavy fighters small so far and the venture medium so far. In game it actually plays a video when you launch your first medium as your first "capitol ship" while small is suggested for heavy fighters.

Hm, good point about the Venture - so it seems there are not enough hull sizes to correctly differentiate there... :/


Hm... from my old WC-book:
Venture - 80m ; Crossbow - 45m ; A17 Broadsword - 36m ; Sabre - ~24m ; Jalkehi/Gothri - ~25m and Kamekh 135m .

Not forgetting the height of the A17, this would put both it and the Crossbow well above normal fighters while still only about half as large as the corvettes...


So, maybe: Corvettes - medium; A17/Cb - small; and all other fighters - tiny ??