I just go a head and get the stone before i go see the guy at the trader... that way i can give him the claw back... you don't need a mod for that...

Haven't had this issue yet. I'v always completed the quest. Good to know there's a mod like this, encase i'd rather do things differently.

@Archon @Whornado The Male Stripper! as much as your comment has merrit, you are really too late to post that shit here, the paid mods that Skyrim had were taken down not even two weeks after they were put there. granted, i'm a bit late to reply to the Bob bullshit you two posted, if the date by my name is any indicator but still my point is that while the Bob army comments are clever, they are mostly ignored by the people you are rallying against.

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@NightEyes The claw gets placed on the counter of his store when you give it back to him so you can steal it back if you didn't get the shout and Dragon Stone.

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Wouldn't this just break the game? if you do not get the dragon shout you can go back for it, assuming you got into the place, but if you get the claw and give it to him, then you cannot even start that phase of the main storyline.

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@satellitecorp14 there's a mod called Bleakfalls Barrow Bypass might be what you are looking for

any chance for a Bleak Falls Barrow skipper?

normally as long you open the clawgate, lucan take the claw. as long you not have open the gate, lucan didnt even talk about it ( i mean, he always ask for find the claw).

at least, that how it work in my game, take the stone or learn the word, yes or not, this didnt change anything for my game, the only point is when i open the gate or not ( after the activation validate of the claw on the door)

@gertrudeschmidt the game checks whether you have finished the quest, not if you have the claw
i could show you a shot of the claw in my inventory and that there is no "i have the claw" dialogue option if you really want that

currently working on lucan and camilla's dialogue, should stop saying "thank you for bringing the claw back" if it is not there - this is in case you steal the claw back from them

i misspoke, It is not before giving the dragonstone, but before collecting it (the golden claw quest wants you to "find the secret of bleakhalls barrow"

@RJinthematrix, I have ALWAYS given the claw back to Lucan before giving the dragonstone to Farengar since I prefer waiting on the dragonborn questline until later in a game. (ALWAYS = well over 100 different characters.) I have never seen Lucan refuse the claw. Never. Can you please post a screenprint of Lucan rejecting the golden claw?

That's not my experience! I have returned the claw to Lucan before turning in the dragonstone in at least two playthroughs. I have used the Unofficial Skyrim Patch by Arthmoor from the beginning. Could that have made the difference?

if you recover the stone before he sends you for it, he will still accept it as normal
if you recover it after accepting the quest, delphine is there as normal

@Altbert Lucan will refuse the claw until you have turned in the dragonstone, and the checks for Farengar to see whether you have the dragonstone are actually checking if you finished the golden claw quest
this mod simply unlinks them and instead checks for items in your inventory

@RJinthematrix: If you haven't accepted the quest (yet), but retrieved the Dragonstone, you will be able to hand the stone to Farengar and Delphine will not be present.

Dragons only appear after Mirmulnir has been killed near the Western Watchtower. Mirmulnir only appears when the Dragonstone has been delivered to Farengar and Balgruuf the Great has asked the player to accompany Irileth to the Western Watchtower.

A lot of quests, if not most, in all major quest lines use items, stages in this manner, e.g. the Horn of Jurgen Windcaller in Ustengrav, the Jagged Crown in Korvanjund, etc. For several months now, I have been trying to figure out a way to bypass these odd ways. If you would be able to reach the final area in Ustengrav before receiving the quest, you just would not find the horn, nor would you find Delphine's note to rent the attic room. You would only find two dead Draugr and the regular loot.

@Altbert that part is unedited, if you accept the quest then collect the dragonstone, Delphine will be present

I can't confirm the Golden claw thing, but Farengar has additional conversation that deals with the player retrieving the Dragonstone before Farengar has asked for it. When travelling from Helgen to Riverwood you can go straight to Bleakfalls Barrow to get the Dragonstone. When delivering the stone to Farengar, Delphine will not be present and Farengar will accept the stone.

Dragonstone is collected from inside Bleak Falls Barrow. You have to hand it to Farengar before the dragon attacks, and even that only triggers once you get within a certain distance of the West Watchtower.

Once you collect the dragonstone, the dragon attacks - some may want to prolong this.
What other quests do you know use items in this manner?

...You don't need to fight a dragon to get the dragonstone. Maybe you should do the same for other quests that use items but require the stage completed?

In most cases, no. But if you wanted the game act more logically and actually check your inventory for quests rather than stages - you might want this. I personally thought it annoying I had the golden claw in my inventory but hadn't gotten the dragonstone (to avoid fighting a dragon made powerful by mods) and wanted to turn it in.

Is there actually any use to this? No one explores the starter dungeon, quits after unlocking the boss room, walks all the way back to a town, just to do the entire dungeon again in order to kill the boss. Especially when he's so easy and takes massive damage from the starter spells.