Great work, love from China❤️

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1.26?

The butthurt, though.
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Europeans think exactly the same about Americans

most europeans have their head up their asses, yet can't see their own imperfections.

That colour is fucking vile

shenism is not a thing. Early Ming dynasty was exactly the right time when Confucianism went lower than governmental level and replaced Taoism and Buddhism in grassroot

Definitely. If we look at Japan (before WW2), their cultural ideologies were still very strong, despite having "westernised". I definitely agree on that the same would've happened to China if they successfully westernised.

Hmm, you know, relaisticaly, would westernization result in china losing the mandate of heaven completly. Like, if china had relisticaly westenized it's technology, would that cultural concept be lost? It's just that's how it works in game, so in trying to make a more relistic china that is one idea I think could be useful to meditate on.

Ah, you are referring to those nations. That would be a good idea, perhaps adding a decision for nations that "conquer" China to declare a new Dynasty and claim to have the mandate of heaven, though I think coding that will require quite a bit of work.

Yes, but foreign conquerors almost always took on the mandate of heaven. The mongol Yuan dynasty did it, as did the manchurian qing that we previously discussed.

@Emperor They didn't actually annex the whole cnountry in one war. Southern Ming persisted for quite a while, with the Kingdom of Tungning (Taiwan) only getting annexed in 1683 (~40 years after the fall of Ming). To emulate the conquest would probably require events that cede lands to the Manchu without a peace treaty, perhaps. At the moment, I tied the event chain for the manchu invasion to the Shun uprising.
As for your second qustion, why would other nations get the mandate of heaven? The mandate is a purely Chinese belief.

Anyway, the manchurian conquests will be hard ot emulate, since they took over teh country in one war. Maybe personal union plus 'mandate of heaven' modifier so they never rebel. Also, can other nations get the mandate of heaven?

testing

is there a way make make the western tech group actually matter after an certain age?
Ming's ships and armies are (disputed) the most advanced, or atlest one of the most advanced in the world until much later, after Wanli got lazy and shit (actually even at the end, some parts of the ming army was still pretty powerful) . Also could you add an download link for the newer version cuz steam is buggy.

@Carlbot I plan on updating it as soon as possible, though I currently lack the time to do so.

@Zusk Sure :)

Hey, I was wondering if I could incorporate this into a mod im working on!

I will make sure to credit you, of course c:

Is this being updated for 1.12?

I have the best idea for an event.

So, say that if Ming either owns all of Indonesia or all of Southern India and has access to Great Britain (either from a British colony or the main home islands) it is possible for the event "The Opium War" to fire. Basically Ming can choose to enforce her will upon the Islands, declaring war with a vasslization CB (even if they are too big to vassalize), or they can choose to find other methods of penetrating their markets, giving a relations penalty to Britain and having a nother event fire later, maybe a year or so.

Since the war one is on top, the AL will always choose that, but maybe you could make it so that, if the player chooses correctly (because by the 1600s China is a beast as a player) he can force Britain into a union under Ming.

Theres a mistake in the direct download, change in the mod file the .zip to the name of the folder

Direct download link added.

Thanks !!!, cant wait

@Mad_dog Direct download link to come soon!

@The Astronomicon
Well, I wouldn't say Undisputed, but they were pretty advanced. A combination of Eunuchs holding power, Incompetent Emperors, Natural Disasters, Internal Conflicts, as well as other small factors led to Ming's inevitable decline and downfall. I'd say by Mid-Late Ming, Ming China is definitely no longer the most advanced nation in the world.

Yet again the question comes up as with other China mods. Why the hell is Ming China, the Undisputed Most Advanced Nation In The World Technologically seeking to "Westernise" when paltry Europeans going to China came back *wishing Europe were more like China*?

Please add a direct download link to the mod.

@great_cyanide_sun Thats actually a great idea! I'll see if I can implement something like that for the upcoming update. Thanks :)

In chinese history, nearly all major dynasties fell into bankruptcy due to costs building and maintaining the the great wall. Maybe, you can use that as a financial handicap for ming so they don'y spam so many troops.

@PoisonPenguin
Thats why we need to make it less Eurocentric. :)
@Taenggufan
Its basically a (less common) way of saying "Chinese Folk Religion".

>Less Eurocentric
>Game is called Europa Universalis and takes place during the most prosperous European period
Okay then. I'll give this a whirl.

I am sorry, but im comfused what is shenist?

please add direct download

@SphereWorld Yeah. Its a placeholder for now until I can get a better way of simulating the Tributary system.

I shall mention that tributary system is not vassal system in EU4 as the subject nations have no obigation to join in a war with China.

Wonderful!

Support Hong Kong production!

谢谢分享。

@Acela I agree completely. The vassal system is a placeholder of sort for now (Since Paradox decided to make Korea a vassal of Qing, despite them only being a tributary state during Qing's time as well), until I can figure out whether or not I can create a separate "protectorate" system for Ming/Qing Tributary states.

It will be weird to see Korean soldiers on Mongolia in Ming's war with Oirat.
EU4 vassalage system is not working in this area.

@AUG Right... Fixed.

It is wang zhen 王振，not Wang zheng

@Anonymous26 Thanks for the bug report :) I probably caused the bug when I messed around with the trigger/conditions. Will try and fix it for the upcoming update.

肯定是国人啊，不然怎会连七大恨都知道

I believe I have found a bug. If one plays as Ming and makes Dai Viet a vassal, one may still take the mission "Restore the old frontier". This mission will be completed the next day, giving 1 stability and 10 army tradition. After taking another mission and either completing it or canceling it, one may take "Restore the old frontier" again for additional army tradition and stability. This makes maintaining 3 stability very easy, as one can keep the mission uncompleted and immediately complete it whenever stability drops, do another mission, and then wait until the next stability drop. It could also increase army tradition, however, as this was discovered while playing with the bureaucrat faction in power, this was not possible.

只是我一個，其他都只是幫我試玩的朋友。
沒有啊。我是香港來的，而且我的中文差，因而比較喜歡用英文。:P

额，看不出来啊，你们这个mod组，有多少国人？在贴吧上有没有上传？

@wudadi Yes.

Are you Chinese? Can you speak Chinese?