I suppose the contexts I'm thinking of there isn't pressure really, because the other characters are friendly or mine is in the dominant position in e.g. an interrogation, so that makes sense

I think, the new prompt is more closely tuned to read the vibe of a conversation, if it is overall tense, rolls are more likely, if you sneak in a little persuasion into an otherwise rather light scene (or one where your character is very confident) it might slip through more easily.

Or would you say, it also still misses in heavier scenes, where your character is under pressure?

I haven't played too much recently, but I feel like this has been better. I've seen fewer cases where I've disagreed with the decision. It still quite often marks things as trivial in conversations involving a little persuasion or intimidation, but I guess rolling all the time instead of for the most important parts is a little annoying anyway

Alright, wanna try again? New version has greater focus on proficience and ambition to determine, if one needs to roll or not, so I hope you will never again see the words "reachable surface" as justification. That one haunts me still.

In my testing, threats and begging were considered roll-worthy, so I hope that might translate well to other causes, but I am sure, somehow somwhere I have opened up new strange cases with this.

It seems like sometimes it decides to focus on one or the other, either uncertain outcome or no direct obstacles, rather than considering both together. When marking as trivial it'll usually state one reason or the other for any trivial actions, and with some I can retry and it'll roll for it instead. But maybe this is an incorrect assumption

Just want to say that I've been trying a model from an entirely different model family and it still often interprets blatant threats or persuasion as trivial. I can literally walk up to massive, muscle-bound brutes then say I'm going to rip them limb from limb if they don't tell me what I want to know and the AI determines its basic speech with no difficulty or obstacles

Ah, I will try around a bit more, see if I can find a phrasing that is clearer without being too restrictive. Thanks for keeping me updated.

Reasonings are things like:
"Speaking a simple, improvised lie is a basic verbal action with no inherent difficulty or resistance."
"Drawing with an available tool on a reachable surface requires no special skill or effort."

Might be my model, but the new plaus25 prompt is weird when it comes to marking things as trivial. It feels like it does it too much, especially for speaking actions. The vanilla prompt kinda did this anyway though, so it's hard to say whether your mod has made it better, worse, or the same.

I can literally put in brackets `(this is a lie)` and it'll say it's trivial instead of rolling for deception or whatever. I decided to draw for fun and it didn't roll for art skills or anything, which I feel is a missed opportunity for a skill that'd be rarely used otherwise. It'll also roll persuasion for me telling someone something, but not for me literally pleading.

Is this just me?

Updated. Removed "too vague" as an option for the AI, and corrected a misleading wording that could lead actions to auto-fail that should require a roll check. (Funnily enough, base free never had a problem with that, but now testing Silver, it immediately and consistently caused that error.)

I had it with the new plaus25 prompt sometimes and still have it sometimes with yours. It's rare, but annoying when it happens. Just thinking is fine though, it's when thinking about something specific, like what to do next. And true, maybe it's not really necessary.

Huh, is that a vanilla problem? I never in all my time had the "too vague" option triggered, so I kinda disregared it as one of those fallback options that might not do anything. Just recently I was "thinking about my life" and the AI went through with it.

But if that is a problem with some models, I will see to address it. Honestly, might just take that option out? I have lived well without it, and it seems only like an invitation for the AI to be stubborn about something rather than leading to anything substantial.

Your mod still has the problem vanilla often has with the "too vague" option, in that it often blocks trying to think or come up with ideas.
"I try to think of a game to play" -> Action blocked: What kind of game do you have in mind?
"I try to think of a plan" -> Action blocked: What is your plan?
"I try to come up with a way to cheer them up" -> Action blocked: Specify how you try to cheer them up.
Dumb stuff like that. I feel like it's not unreasonable to try to think and have the AI come up with ideas or plans, since it'd be dependant on your roll or what the AI decides anyway. And it gives more use to thinking skills/abilities if you can actually do these actions. Might be a model thing, let me know if you encounter the same

I only used your new one briefly, but it felt like it was a bit more appropriate than before when determining roll vs trivial. Previously trivial was a little too common for my tastes. Good idea adding currency, I always forget about that until I need to buy something and it doesn't let me

Oh, sorry, you are right, I somehow cut that part when implementing the new plausibility format, thank you for pointing it out! (Updated.)

The target picking problem I know well from base game, true, I once was "exploring the ruin" and somehow that made the "dust wraith" the target of my action, very strange.

By the way, how do people like the current mix of trival/roll check? I feel, the AI for me is very reasonable to say, when a conversation is just small-talk, or when there is an uncertain reaction to be gauged. I very slightly increased the chance for rolling, I think, but this might vary from model to model.

Oh, and I now included "money, currency" into the list of things which are "not required items", which was previously missing, I think. It should deal well enough with common currencies ("Gold", "Credits", etc.) but if you use, say, seahshells, I assume the AI might struggle sometimes to see it as money.

The lack of guidance on the length of messages to the player in the plaus25 prompt leads to my model writing crazy long message sometimes. Whenever it decides something is implausible it yaps for multiple sentences, going into unnecessary detail about potential consequences and all sorts of other things, sometimes the length of a full story turn. I'm assuming this is not intended

I haven't played with vanilla for a while to say for sure, but I appreciate some of the changes like adding more emphasis on "no target" in the target picking prompt (I had to add even more emphasis recently because it *still* needlessly picks targets), and the vanilla item check always annoyed me with saying I needed an object to pick up said object off the floor.

Actually, I wonder if you have ever encountered the target picking problem I was having. Basically, the problem is the AI picking a totally random target if none are available that fit. It doesn't use the "Other" option. For example, I said I wanted to swat a fly that was buzzing around me, there was no fly NPC generated. The AI picked "Lieutenant" as the target of the action(???). Or I'm vague and it'll pick some random named NPC, presumably in the hopes of it being the right one. Tbh I wish we could include the most recent story turn for target picking

I still find it very necessar, Sir Pascal :3

Updated for new game version, some prompts were renamed and no longer active,

I am a bit unsure, is the mod still necessary? I believe, the developer has tweaked some of the problems already in the base version.

Very minor thing I just noticed. substr_assume_player_has_neither is missing a space at the start

Instead of herding cats, try to snuggle with puppers. I heard it's a lot easier and better for stress levels. :3