just trying to theorize along with you
part of it, maybe even most of it, is poorly optimized maps
it's probably not fully all on your mods, no worries
crashes for me only happen in combination with your survivors and certain maps

Maybe I screwed up somewhere or didn't compile the VTFs with DXT compression, but even that shouldn't cause all the crashes

I don't have a clue what would cause all the crashes, I run all 8 of my B4B survivors that are about 1k-2k and it works fine on 8 player, Idk what's happening with these

i wonder if might also just be a combination of playing on poorly optimized maps
as the crashes will mostly only occur with your survivor models and not others
maybe the game can't even handle at least 2K or it's a mix of multiple things
got a new 1440P 2K monitor, really wanted to enjoy higher quality now
just trying to find a version of these survivors well enough optimized
sorry if i might not be understanding something or confused

my survivors use 2K at max and 1K at the least, it shouldn't be a problem, 2008 has 1k textures, the rest are 2k, but don't have normal maps or anything

not sure which one to comment on but it probably applies to all
i am sure many of us appreciate how nice it is having 2K or 4K
however, this contributes to reaching the limits of the engine or at least the game
left 4 dead 2 is still only a 32 bit application, which means a 3gb ram limit if even that
would you be willing to make an alternate version more optimized to prevent crashes?
might also benefit you as far as at least making sure Panda has the latest from you

do whatever just credit me for any work used

do i have permission to edit these models for my own addon?

Go ahead, just link back to whatever you took 'em from

do you plan to release separate versions? if not, do you grant permission to upload them?

no worries. just reporting a possible issue like you asked in description
i'm not sure if it happens with the other survivors, including your other sets
lemme know if you need a screenshot and i'll ask my friend to get one for you
that could help pinpoint down the issue

When I have the opportunity I'll look into it further, I've just been busy.

i don't think you're necessarily "missing" anything, but lemme double check my notes
if you don't mind a minor spam of copy paste:

Teen Angst Zoey had the Clavicle bone weight problem. That bone, if weighted to any mesh in the arms rig, caused stretched triangles using some melee weapons (and other custom items). Also, the arms cannot be simply plopped in the arms rig and used without changing the way it's weighted. It mostly shows when someone animates to the extremes. Some animators would use simplified skeletons to animate with. Sometimes these skeletons would lack all the bones the standard Valve biped would use. The arms of the survivors were weighted to use each bone in the Valve biped skeleton. Meaning if you had a mesh that was weighted with every joint in an animation set that didn't use all those joints, the weighted areas would have nowhere to place, so they'd stretch to origin as a fallback to prevent the game from crashing from an index error.

Weird, I'm really not sure what's up with that. I'll see if I can mess with it, but I have no clue what attachment is missing from him, last I checked I added everything needed.

hey, just to follow up about Bill and that melee weapon concern
i've confirmed it wasn't just me
sent this over to a friend of mine who also streams on twitch
been watching him, and it is definitely a legit issue
although, yes, it seems to just stand out with custom melee
however, the fact it even happens only with that model confirms it
using the same melee weapon with other survivor models doesn't show it
like i said earlier, it could be related to arby26's teen angst zoey, clavicle bone weight
totally confident you could figure it out when you have time
oh, and i do understand, as per your profile, modding is at the bottom of your list
just thought it was a good idea to mention i confirmed this didn't happen to just me

yes

So cool


They also replace the passing models, right?

The bump maps are all within the "zbrush" folder, btw. The viewmodel ones *I* made are in the "out" folder within said folder.

Honestly I think the 2008 survivors I uploaded uses his 2007 texture, it was a legitimate bug in development where they used the wrong texture, which results in the infamous "void armpit" issue. I don't remember if I fixed it or not, I used the official textures used during that era.

Got it, thanks!

I did provide the source exports of the bump maps within the source files, but 2008 Louis's bumps and texture are not compatible with the 2007 model, and vice versa
It's possible to do your own though, I just never got around to it. IIrc Francis has a slightly different UV between 2008 and 2007, but I believe there's a 2k version of his 2008 texture in the sources under the "unknown" folder in the textures.

I'd figure that's not doable with Louis

Neat - sounds like what I'd want to use is the 2008 survivors then.

Using the source files linked in the description, would I be able to use the higher res textures from the 2007 survivors with the 2008 bump maps, or are the textures themselves too different for that?

'06 is also slightly outdated at the moment, I need to fix up some things with them, but haven't had the time.

2006 is like an old source game, they have static eyes, and one texture sheet for most of everything
2007 is an upgrade, they have a separate texture for the mouth, they have shine, and moving eyes
2008 is a massive step up with normal maps for all survivors, but the textures were downgraded for Xbox 360 optimization, and Louis got a bandoleer and a hoodie
If you don't care about texture quality, I go with 2008 most times, the normal maps make them look amazing, but if you REALLY want them 2k textures, or just don't like the new Louis model, 2007 is the next best thing

What's the differences between '06, '07 and '08 survivors? what's the best all-around one to pick?

right, i understand. i'm not trying to accuse you of anything
lord knows we've both had our fair share of drama lately
i just know, like mapping, sometimes there are some oversights in modding
and sometimes things don't stand out unless you go fully custom with items

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/673768792

I can't at this moment but I guess I'll take a look later, but I have no idea what would need to be fixed, my models are updated to the TLS skeleton

Try with a custom melee
Things usually stand out with customs

I just loaded up Bill in HLMV, loaded the fire axe, and it works fine, so I'm not sure what was going on.

i forgot to mention it could be the clavicle thing related to arby's teen angst zoey

Last time I checked the melee weapons worked fine, but I'll look into it.

did you test with melee weapons?
maybe it's a custom melee weapon issue
i only checked with bill, with this 2007 version
"stuff" is on the screen, you'll know when you see it
was using custom lightsaber melee weapon set
but it only happens with the ones you hold with both hands
https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855661211

thank you for the answer, hopefully someone could make retail style survivor icons of trs survivors

I already had to heavily edited Splinks' stuff for these, I used his hairs as somewhat of a base, and his jigglebones, the VMTs are also based off his, as there's commented out values I presume to be the original.

I just don't have time, and if I made any updates I'd have to push them to every individual survivor for all 3 eras. As for the icons, Splinks used his models as a base for them, so, they wouldn't look right, I'd have to make my own to style in with the retail HUD, but honestly VGUI was the least of my worries, I didn't feel like rendering all of them and doing the artistic stuff.

ok fair

No to all of that

any chance for individual survivors? and if possible, could you make a version with Splinks original l4d1 icons? as they fit better with retail hud

Thanks for fixing.

he changed

You changed

what chantged

I have finished fixing them, the update will be later today, I have some things to do before I can get around to updating 2007 and uploading to the drive.

I'll fix it and some other VTA issues I've noticed, hopefully it'll be the last update to these

Like I said, instead of modifying the files for these new uploads I tried to use as much of the original content as possible, so I never fully fixed that.

Ah, I see why, it's an issue with his facial expression file, they did some weird stuff to it during the E3 era, tried modifying it for the new Bill model, I managed to fix it for the most part but it was corrupted to a degree, guess that's an issue I never saw.

A hole? I haven't noticed it

this is so sad that bill has a hole near his mouth in 2007 and 2008 versions
thanks for keeping the old versions they don't have this problem

Also, you are one of the best and most honest modders I've seen.