Well, you know this ol german Betonhead luv yur Mods, but..that one rerminds me somehow of our Tax System. One Party is taxed to High?- no Problem! Raise for all others Too! :D

An easy tweak should you wanna do it yourself. For the sake of this mod, I wont.

This is a great idea thematically, I'm glad you made this mod. I agree with what you said about Cathay's lore being particularly ill-suited for alliance with the Lizardmen, between the two. In some ways he seems more dangerous to them than some random raiders would be.

I've felt like -40 ends up too hard on Alberic, who lacks the (frankly overpowered) campaign mechanics that make Yuan Bo so strong. Given that Yuan Bo both lore-wise and balance-wise has more reason to be penalized, it feels like it could make sense to reduce Alberic's penalty. Just my subjective read, though.

Update ?

I was inspired by the lore, yes

Good mod. Cathay especially having no relations penalty was bizarre considering the invasion lore and the fact that the dragons are not exactly fans of the old ones and their terraforming project. Out of all order factions they should probably have the worst relations.

Welcome!

This is hella great plan. I approve.

Nice

@Lactation Consulant
I felt so too!

@insearchofmines
True, but I think that is startpos.

Thank you! This honestly feels like it should have been in the game be default (or at least some kind of -40 relations with Lizardmen due to "recent events") . Thanks again!

Thank god, this makes Yuan Bo campaigns so much more interesting now that there are threats to deal with after the initial orcs/skaven.

You guys got it!

YES!! i was playing Mazdamundi without realzing that llustria had so many new invaders, and my lizard boys are all cozing up with bretonian manlings?!?! no sir, we might be order aligned but we cant let anyone tamper with the great plan.

Yeah in my Wulfhart campaign I was ficking gangpan by those lizards while in my Yuan Bo it cause me a whole lv 1 with a barrack to allied with Mazamundi

Likely not a bad idea!

For people complaining about the diplomatic penalty being to low, you can use
Loreful Strategic Threat to complement.

Correct!

Could I add this to a campaign in progress?

@wagabunga93bartez
Easy to edit yourself if you want :) I based myself out of Wulfhart.

Subjectively, it should be minus 80, maybe 70, but certainly not 40 - this is definitely too low a value.

@Gleen Cross
Markus has -40 for starter. So I figured -40 would be fair. Hate them all the same.

Rakarth is already hated by lizardmen. They have a strong native aversion. I figured it unessecary.

-40 feels a bit tame, I guess -60 is the sweet spot. Also, why not give this penalty to Ramsay Bolton as well? I know the vanilla values between the lizardmen and dark elves are already negative, but it's not that severe or anything... and Ramsay is invading just like the other two

@Oh_Man[TFE]
You mean by the use of this mod or in vanilla? In vanilla, nope. He has netural relationship with them. But you will find yourself likely to have to go to war against lizardmen to get the relays.

@Echo
My thoughts too. Yuan Bo is too strong as he is imo!

@Tanyu Darkblade
Not quite. Since the "diplomatic relations -40 with lizardmen" is lizardmen - alberic/yuan bo. Not the other way around. It's other lizardmen hating them, not yuan bo and alberic hating lizardmen.

So if you play as a lizzy, don't worry they will be netural towards you. But you will find that your lizardmen bretheren may be readying themselves for war against them. Pick your allegiance.

Thanks Guv. I like this change, I'll be using it even as I play Yuan Bo.

@Oh_Man[TFE]

There are Lizardmen attacks after the Relay is built, but they aren't big at all. Tbf, i've only managed one so far, but if it's the same for each one, they're very manageable. And that's just a single incursion of 3 armies that build up gradually like Wood Elves invasions. No recurring attacks like Markus has.

Does Yuan Bo not get any penalties really? That's a shock to me. I thought whenever you built Astromantic Relays that triggered big Lizardmen reprisals?

Welp, I just want to say that yeah... this shoud be a CA fix... Anyone who is not a lizard boi should be hated deeply by the scaly ones. Although they should hate the ones invading, not entire species, as they don't give a fruit about anything beyond their Great Plan which 95% happen on Lustria.

My point is; if I'm playing Sotek's fanboy nº1, Yuan Bo and the forgettable one will hate me??

@Guvenoren that is pretty interesting thanks for letting me know

@Masterdelta 41
Fun fact about potential. Minor factions "such as talabecland" will always suck vs any other Major faction AI. They are simply food for them. They can barely win against them in autoresolve.

@ɹǝʇsɯɐH pǝɓɐɹuƎ
You are welcome buddy! Yes, he had a rough time for me too.

achris1206z
Thanks, but a healthy level of scrutiny is always welcome. You don't have to trust my content that wholeheartedly.

In lore, from what I read, Cathay has invaded Lustria before. They lost hard and their lot got sacrificed by the lizardmen. Nasty stuff.

As far as bretonnian errantry and empire goes, I am not sure but generally unpleasant. Lizardmen are reclusive and generally simple minded. They view other races as "lesser races" and should be put in their place. They defend their land against tresspassers quite strongly. However they can communicate if nessecary etc. It's complicated.

That means there are factions that are WORSE and will always perform a bit worse.

@Masterdelta 41
As someone who has tampered with it, sort of but not quite.
Faction potential is indeed random, but it has a baseline value. For example:

Major faction: 150 base value, 50 upper roll, 25 median.

The base value is 150. So that is a value they will always have. Then there is a chance it will be a number from 150 to 200 (thanks to upper roll). Then the median gives an average middle range. So there is a very unlikely chance they will reach exactly 200 or 150.

However, gorrok has a base value of 175. Yes, higher than average. Ikit claw has 175, archaon has like 175 too, miao ying has 160 base. Oxyotl has 125 (yes he is worse). Helman ghorts is also 125 so he is in general always a worse faction.

This is directly for datacore. It's in CA's own files.

Love these mods, simple but impactful. Alberic is not having a good time in my current campaign. Thank you Guvenoren

@Guvenoren I think faction potential is randomized for all majors each run.

Thx for your continuing, the love, and the hard-work you put into the community in improving our playthrough, subscribe your work as soon as I see it appear on the recommendation .

Noob lore question from a player who got into TW universe through TWW:
What would the lizard man practically do toward factions like Yuan Bo, is there any lore instance?

I know they were crushed by Clan Pestilens in ET, but that's an Chaos faction, skaven especially.
Is there really any lore history between the Jurassic park with other order-like faction, like the New World Immigrant that start near Yuan BO and Master Ma in the lore?

In my current campaign, Gorrok ate up Alberic (I do have a ton of mods so that'd likely affect it. but little to do with lizardmen so)

Hmm, it's a speculation. Gorrok has great faction potential. Stronger than Skrolk.
Mazdamundi's issue is that he is boxed in. His upper neighbour, Morathi, has huge faction potential. 175 vs his 150. He can barely win auto resolves.

However, Yuan Bo got equal numbers. A big thing is that the AI doesn't declare war on the neighbouring allies, meaning the AI doesn't get land.

However, this is just a speculation after all. Maybe there are mods out there to tune Lizardmen for you. This is just a very simple mod that wanted to make sense out of things.

Totally agrees on the idea, but I fear if lizardmen, who often can already struggle in the lustriabowl, just go against other order factions, they'd die out even quicker

you read my mind

pretty much. Should be happy there even was at least someone to welcome them

Welcome to Lustria.... Now get out.

thx you a pet peave of mine 2

I guess it heavily depends on mod list

well personally not me me. Rakarth has sometimes happened.
Does skrolk even exist lol?

lizardman of lustria are usually wiped out by rakarth + skrolk combo isnt?

@soulmindproductions
Glad you enjoy it!

BTW I l.o.v.e. your expanded frontend faction display mod, Guv! <3