Thanks man, ur mod is pretty cool btw

The song is the Camel by Camel, specifically "Sandy marton - Camel By Camel / Blancmange - Living On The Ceiling (Arpesus Remix)"

Hey wsp, I'm very curious to know what's the song u use at the opening of the mod?

I will just say a few things.

- The mod is supposed to be hard.
- Its supposed to be kinda realistic, so the Legion actually is kinda shit ngl.
- You are supposed to play differently, this is not your average *I CAST POWER ARMOR AND BATTLEPLAN* mod.

You get many tools to win, you simply need to learn to use them.

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You got a bad ending, and I'm sorry that the mod frustrated you so, but the mod also offers you a variety of ways to make the experience easier on yourself. Everything from scrounging states for slaves, enslaving and conquering tribes, the new laws and companies added, it's certainly not a walk in the park, but with time and effort, you can not only conquer the Oregon, but you can conquer the Idaho and Washington as well.

And the simple reality is that, in the wasteland, there are instant fail scenarios. In New Vegas, your very second mission to Caesar is to kill House. If you stumble upon Nelson, you're either going to take it back for the NCR or the Legion, there's no third way where they both rule. It's easy to get lost in the side missions and side content, but in the end, you're a soldier given an order, sent to a backwater nowhere with no help, your brother, and a bunch of incompetent idiots who hate you. All you can do is make the best of it.

@DocHolliday

The mod is meant to be long-term planning and progression. There's very little chance you'll succeed on the first try, and even then, what ending you get is determinant on your choices, whether you did things you thought were right or instead did what you thought was wrong.

In regards to A Barely Equipped Expedition, it's a progressing national spirit, you can never get rid of it fully, but if you hold onto enough slaves for enough focuses, you can upgrade it step by step until almost all of the numbers you get are green. If you truly do not like it, there is also a story mode available.

Playing smart and not treating your soldiers as disposable or infinite pawns is also of note, especially in regards to the deadline. Unfortunately, OWB hardcoding means that the deadline must be in 2279 rather than 2280 or 2281, but it is very possible. I myself took about 30-50 attempts just to beat it once.

By Mars, this poor Frater Holliday. This is the hardest mod i've played for HoI4, I've had to play it perhaps five times in a row to actually get anywhere, and I think I still lost further down the line.
I just enjoy it the same way I enjoy the Enclave Reborn mod, so much story to read.

The mod is supposed to be difficult as you're sent on an impossible mission as a sacrificial distraction by Caesar, and while I agree fully the *many* instant game over events are BS, maybe think of it like Groundhog day or one of the many movies like it. Or really just any older game, damn I failed but in those 5 hours I learned what works and doesn't work.

I'm only ranting because I had high hopes going into this and I was enjoying those character backstories, only for it all to be squashed by lumping a ridiculous deadline on top the ends them all in an instant if you fail... I just can't wrap my head around how that was reasonable to you guys...

I mean I'm really not trying to be rude, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense at ALL... I mean I have a fortified province with an army numbering in the thousands thats still accomplishing it's goals just slower than his unreasonable expectation, yet, despite the legion being in a state of disrepair, he just has me murdered and lets the whole province fall into anarchy????????? WHAT????????? Bro.... At least have someone else takeover until this civil war mechanic works again, because that reads like something you threw together in 5 minutes.

Damn bro that's kind of ridiculous lmao... I mean you even let on with that opening message having him acknowledge how wack his order was... Then kills you anyways....................................................................................... This mod had a cool idea, but starting with essentially nothing, and not having the ability to make jack sh*t kind of ruins the experience for anyone who isn't a hoi4 lifer...... I mean I can't manufacture anything or use the dozens of factories I have until I conquer the whole f*cking state??? That makes absolutely no sense.... Like if the civil war mechanic doesn't work just have him not f*cking kill us ffs... Just wasted like 4 or 5 hours of my life.... Sorry for spamming your chat but giving us some unavoidable game over screen because I didn't sweat hard enough is just so ridiculous I really didn't see that coming...

Man I must really suck because this dead line is literally impossible. I mean all of Oregon by June of 79????????? In between all the focuses I need to keep the council from murdering me I can't even seem to research them fast enough let alone conquest the whole dang state the fast starting with literally zero production and continuing to have none even after conquering numerous surrounding provinces and fielding thousands of slave. Like.... What? I like the idea of this mod but boy does it seem geared for hardcore hoi4 players...

I must suck cause I literally can't seem to win since I can't actually replenish anything, unless I was meant to shed that earlier somehow,.

Also I seem to be missing something, how do I get rid of the barely equipped expedition debuff? It's making the war against the bone dancers very difficult understandably.

Ah ok, independent is fine enough I suppose lol, and thanks for the tip, this mod is really cool!

@JChristmas

Thank you for the kind words! Seeing people talk about my mod always brightens my day, I am very glad that you enjoyed it and I would love to hear what things you enjoyed about it!

@DochHoliday
Technically, no. I wont lie, its... even... aligning with the NCR does not make sense. The mod is pretty 'realistic' in my eyes and there is no way one Legionary (from Fallout) would ever do that... But there *is* an independent path where you can do... the funny.

And for the state borders, usually the airzones are a pretty good way to tell! For example, Oregon is split between North/West/South Oregon in the airzone map. Most states are that way!

also even if I sided with Caeser is there a way to see state borders? I have no idea which territories might fall slightly inside or out of the oregon border lol.

So can I turn on the legion and align myself with the NCR? I feel like that's sort of implied in the description but I wanted to be sure. I love the post apocalyptic roman empire theme but they are such d*uche bags XD.

Hey man just wanted to say, this has gotta be the best submod for OWB and probably submod for any mod in any game I've ever played. I'm glazing but big man, you deserve it. Thank you for the awesome work

Good day everyone!

@Caravaral Technically, you should help your boy kill the Broken Coast, otherwise... You are kinda sending your own men to die!

@scarlettbox Is it??? jk, perhaps one day. I would really need to look into it.

@Willinium my friend, yes. It automatically goes to anarchy. Which is a shame, but perhaps someday I will find another way. It was something related to dynamic tags and the way that OWB changed them.

Ah I didn't realize that the Civil Wars had gotten removed from the mod, that was a fun first playthrough I had where I ended up giving women rights too quickly and got firebombed, only to become Aurelius and Narcissus having to defeat the other warlords.

After which I think the entire wasteland just devoured Aurelius's survivors whole?

So what happens now instead of the Civil War? Just a instant game over?

came back to this mod after playing it on first release, and my poor narcissus romance is gone :( rest of the mod is amazing though<3

While the war between broken coast and cataracta rages i'm unable to pick war focuses. Is this working as intended? Great mod btw.

@ObanMark I started to play it another time. Game no more crash, its previously crashed probably because I had pre-28 september update. And also now disabled zorealis fun.

@Iván And want to thank you for this mod, its quite fun :)

@ObanMark Everything you are saying is perfectly right.

The mod used to have problems with *Civil Wars* and that's why the 5 sided civil war got removed, when the CENTURIONS pull a funny.

But ever since, that got changed/removed, I haven't heard of anything. If you guys are using mods, I would like to know which ones and see if we can find a solution.

@Ikarian
Also, if it's a crash around the same time every time, try going right before the date you know it'll crash, drop a save there, and use the command "Annex all" in the console.

See if it keeps crashing after that date now.


I was having a lot of crashes around the same date in my game, and I found out it was due to peace deals not working right (probably my own fault, from other mods), so I narrowed it down between what nations were at war by reloading, having the one who was about to win this war annex the loser with the console instead, and then reload again if I still crashed.

Irritating, time consuming, but potentially fixable. Also, likely the fault of something else *other* than this mod, I'll say. At least if it's anything like my crashes.

Hope this helped.

@Ikarian
You can change the line of code that applies "Zorealis" in the first place. Search the files for "wild wasteland". There are only a couple of instances in the entire mod. That'll remove the trigger.

If you're too far forward from that to load back, then after you've removed the effect above, trigger any event that causes Borealis to become wounded, and your portrait will change to wounded Borealis, then after that he'll go back to normal on his own.

Hopefully this was clear enough. Though, as mod author said, playing without WW is the best bet. You're not missing anything else with it off.

That's strange. I tried it myself and it all went smoothly till 2280. So perhaps try a new game with the new update. If that doesnt work or crashes, I would love for whoever has the save to join the discord and send it to me, so I can give it a look.

*big facepalm* Oh crap. Okay, you got me. Or I got myself. By the way, have same problem as Dash, game crash around July 2278.

@Ikarian Hahahaha!

You should disable wild wasteland and start the game again... Its... A wild wasteland moment.

Is it possible to change "Zorealis"? Return that image back to Borealis. Its bit breaking immersion.

Animus Phoenix did nothing wrong.
250k denarii for a copy of Cyberhood: Prince of the Matrix is an absolute steal.

Hey guys! I should really release an update soon, with the few bugfixes, I just have been dealing with stuff and playing lots of EU4. Remember to join the Discord to yell at me for ideas.

Muhahaha!
I cheated a little bit... a-and no one can stop me! Hahaha!

Great mod. Very fun. :D

game crashes at year 2278 idk

Why does this mod change the portrait for Andrea Brixley? For the Maxson Expedition?

You turned the Wild Wasteland option on

Why does the country turn into the "Boner Cohort" and Borealis is now a pony?

Hey! @Qazaq Handyğy sorry for the delay of my answers. Just been a bit busy.

The whole time limit is what makes the nation work and be fun. You do not have time, both in the plot and the gameplay to do everything. You gotta make sacrifices and fail in other parts if you want to complete your task!

The Council is also there to stop you from bobbling like your average OWB nation, both mechanics work in tandem to make the whole mod work.

There's an easy mode decision when you start the mod, it wont change the time limit but it will help with the balance of power and the debuffs of the nation.

I hope you have a nice day!

Would be a lot better off with an option for just disabling it entirely or at least making the time limits and requirements more gentle tbh

Yeah after giving it a second go the council politics mechanic is just tedious to the point of being genuinely insufferable

Cool mod but it's kind of insane how many focuses you have to get through. I understand wanting it to be difficult but the amount of shit you have to do with the strict time limit you have is ridiculous

And finally about Caesar, I kinda scripted it that way so it would be your 'final' and hardest adversary. If Caesar dies and the legion fragments it's just a stomp, no matter who wins and so on, and the Bone Cohort is supposed to be hard... I mean, or atleast not easy!

After all the Bone Cohort does not touch any other nations, except that. But I could change it so you can still do the Game Rule and he will die.

I would love you to join our discord so we can talk more. I have soooo many things to say about the tierlist HAHAHA!

@New Willinium Hey! Nice to see you Willinium, I love your reddit posts, but as I am not able to post there, we can never talk u.u

1) It's part of people never actually playing the mod and going off hearsay, as you might have noticed, a lot of people think this mod is something that its not. So I have no clue why they say that. In the literal pre alpha versions when I started making it, Borealis was going to have wife choices, but that idea got scrapped because everyone kept chosing Hannah. And then it just made sense to focus on her.

2) You can! In Isaias case, it's a very secret way of doing it, because hes such an horrible guy that there is only one way... To Bribe him with another woman! Port Maw's leader, Granger, has a different portrait in the mod! Thus, if you didnt bribe or kill him, by the time you recruit Granger into the Cohort, you can use her and then Isaias will become a better/worse person, depending who you ask!

Also is there a way to guarantee Caesar dies? I've done the mod about 4 times now, and have yet to be able to play the focus where Caesar dies taking Vegas. The actual guarantee from the default OWB mod does not seem to work when this is activated.

So hey, just checking in to say I really enjoyed this update, though I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering.

1) Frequently I see folks talk about this sub-mod as if it's become a dating simulator, but insofar as I can tell from numerous playthroughs you can only "Romance" Hannah. Who else can you supposedly romance? And if there are others how do you unlock that feature?

2) Is there a way to actually persuade the entire Centurion Council to acquiesce with your decision to give women full and equal rights? I know that you can persuade Corbylys twice over through your foci tree, Defectum can be mesmerized, Saltus just does not care, and Isaias seemingly can never be persuaded that giving women rights can be a good thing.

Which makes sense considering Isaias whole character and *deal*, but still.

Is this a thing where if you place them as one of your second in commands above the other Centurions that they'll give you more wiggle room?

@Toadvine I was really busy yesterday and I only saw this because someone mentioned it, you made me laugh so much and someone even made a meme in my discord.

Apologies accepted, there is no need to apologized, everyone can have a heated HOI4 moment.
I am very glad you enjoyed it and I suggest you to join the discord to talk more about your experience!

Oh, and I was like a full glass of green apple schnapps deep when that all happened, too. MB

2/2 I imagine, with my limited experience from the mod, that the idea is to assassinate or bribe him between his last and second-to-last step. But the sheer time it takes to take care of the centurion council problem means that unless you're leaving saves every quarter year it seems super easy to soft-lock yourself as I did.
I know I can, and I will, just try again with more knowledge, and most of my frustration was that it a) happened at 1am and I had to be up at 7 for work and b) I'd had a very unsatisfying day leading up to that, but still I'd hate for this to happen to other players, especially ones less obsessed with OWB that may get turned off from the experience entirely (happened in base mod to a friend who refuses to play now).
Again, thank you for your work in making such a unique experience, and I am sorry for the harsher of the words I said last night.

@OwnZar and devils_ninja, it was asshole sunglasses man. For the creator, I've cooled off from last night and want to apologize for the sounding rod comment. I won't remove the original comment, I'm not a coward, but I do want to say some more.
First, this IS and amazing mod. The mechanical side of things, from managing slaves to raiding territory, is deep and satisfying (lmao). The story-writing is the best I've read for OWB and it's submods, and the character detail given to the cast is believable and interesting (twink Frumentarii and all).
Now, reading around I see that there are multiple ways of ending up like Joshua Graham but from what I gather most of them seem recoverable via loading a previous save. It's your mod, your decision obviously, but death by mr sunglasses reaching his "final form" really does feel like a punch to the gut. 1/2

I assume Toadvine was killed by the funny Odious King, I am 90% his focus line is broken and you can't finish it like you used to be able to