Incredible! My absolute favorite mod to date. Any chance of the 65 Pontiac GTO being added?

amazing

Such a great mod, so love these in VR, hope updates keep coming.

Thanks @mitchlol57. And they are about to get better. We're working to transition the mod to the json engine now.

Best sounding cars in any game

The tires have been updated slightly for heat profiling. But the biggest difference is from the body roll physics and the way that interacts with suspension elements + tires

Compared to the Dissenter, are the tires used exactly the same, without having been modified ? Thanks.

Many thanks, Faka. We definitely have a few updates we want to provide for this mod, some of which community members (like Memono1) have been kind enough to help with. We have a packed schedule with some of our other mods we're getting ready for the workshop as well as ones we're preparing for next year's deployment. Many great things are coming.

Your work is very good, I hope you continue to perfect it, 2 awards for you.

Mirror update!

lol, we're glad the last thing you heard was a pounding V8, Michal Monstar.

The Mustang Boss is fn NASTY: I'm deaf now. Thanks!

Thanks @johnredcar36. We have a few updates coming, hopefully soon to make the experience even better.

amazing cars to drive one of my favourite car packs

Thanks @Manfredk2kpr. We'll fix and push a new update.

Dodge car 42 has a typo in veh-file
Classes="Trans-Am-Golden-Era-('68-'72), TrAm-Dodge -Challenger" - there is a space between Dodge and -Challenger, making this car a own class

@TITS so you ran full stints with the cars across multiple tracks and recorded motec telemetry and compared g/g graphs, whale charts, damper histograms, etc and reviewed tire wear and temperature profiles and did a critical analysis across all car's performances lap by lap and in aggregate?

@Triadz If an entire chassis geometry was different, i.e. An entirely different chasis.ini then, maybe. Otherwise, probably not. Once again, every other file across all the cars, identical to the Dissenter, just renamed files. Many still have the original ISI/S397 commented out notes.
I've driven test sessions in a Dissenter against these, and each of these against the Dissenter. Any nuance is so minute you cannot discern comparing side by side other than on ovals as these are strictly road course. Anyway...

This is where I left it and it appeared to be removed.

2/2

Two part comment from Nov. 27 showing as 'Deleted'.

Reposting;

Other than what was referenced with the .hdv, which, imo, when looking at the direct comparisons, doesn't really equate to much. I'm just not entirely convinced that a damper with the exact same values changed from '4 Click' settings to '2 Click' settings is dramatically changing an entire car's complete behavior. Many of the changes are of small type things like that. A Brake Pedal pressure setting from changed from 16 increments to 20. Changes like this are not dramatically altering performance. 1/2

lol, I'm not sure how my comment is "censoring" but the description already says these are based on the ISR mod, which is based on the Dissenter. Although I did see that comment by VoodooChild about some of the tweaks his group did. I've reached out to him to see what they have.

Since comments seem to be censored;
https://www.internationalsimracing.com/forum/index.php?topic=5455.msg45475#msg45475

Right there. They say exactly what I have been saying.

Yes, as mentioned, it was used as the base so it's going to have certain elements that are similar. But run the dissenter next to each of the cars in this pack and you will find they have discernible differences which will be evidenced in motec output. Those "1-2" clicks you mention can equate to quite a big difference when you're talking the actual values that are being calculated. I would certainly be interested in how you have access to the encrypted Dissenter physics. Are you on the S397 team?

@Triadz I noticed the shift timing. Idk about bugs? All files, side by side comparison in Notepad++ are dissenter. What bugs then? The flex chassis.ini file are identical to the dissenter as are the .tbc, .tgm., gears.ini. The .pm I thought were the same but it doesn't really matter since it's using the flex chassis. With the exception of mass, inertia and the couple other noted items, all four corners of the car, every line, every number, dissenter.

The only real variance is in the .hdv. To me, most of the differences in comparisons come down to a 2 clicks difference on a certain adjustable part or whatever small things like that. I guess this can equate to BOP among cars. Everything else really seems near identical. Idk. Observation and driving experience comparing the two.

@TRS The Dissenter was the base of the original mod released by ISR. The chassis was upgraded to the flex chassis (different from pm). Mass and inertias are all different. Swaybars/casters/brakes/camber/springs/pressure/packers settings are all different. Gearing is likely the same because that's what they ran as stacks for that era but shift timing has been adjusted so there's parity between manual and automatic. And the engines have been updated quite a bit, particularly with engine lifetimes and other areas. We also fixed a lot of bugs that were present and adjusted BOP across the range plus some other changes. So it's a bit more than just some tiny engine tweaks :)

The car models are nice. The sounds are good.

Don't mean to be a buzzkill. You all realize that the physics everyone is raving about is the ISI Howston Dissenter and its tire model. Nothing was changed except for some mass and inertia values, and the odd tiny values in the HDV files for the trackbar setting ranges. While the engine is ever so slightly different in the power curve the horsepower is about the same ranging from lowest, the Javelin 403hp, to the Challenger and Mustang at 468hp/469hp. Everything else is Dissenter. Tires .tbc and .tgm, gears.ini, chassis.ini, .hdv

Other than engines, everything else is also identical from car to car.

You are driving a Dissenter (1974 Ford Maverick) so, of course it drives well and properly mimics a car from this era. The car models are just nicer and the sounds are different. Perception is an interesting thing.

@jpony289 at the moment we don't have any plans to add more cars as we have a lot of other projects on the docket. However, we do have access to a few of the other cars. So if we're able to clear out some in process work, we could make our way back to add more to the mod.

Great mod!! Sounds are fantastic and physics are like you expect from bias ply tires . Awesome job!By any chance will there be any more cars such as 70 camaro and 67-68 mustang? Thanks again!!

Big thanks to all those who've given the mod a whirl. We're still working on it but heavily focused on a few other projects at the moment. Please continue to provide feedback. We'll get in updates as time permits.

This is definitely a hidden gem! Such a pleasure/fun to drive this cars.
With some polishing it will be better than any addon that some 'studios' asks money for!
Physics are so good. FFB - awesome! So much feel and control over what's happening and no noise, so no need in smoothing/filtering.
P.S. I'm in love with it! Thanks to creators of this mod.

Been having lots of fun with these. Thank you for your hard work.

OUTSTANDING!

Long time awaiting for this cars!!. Awesome driving. Thanks

I really wanted to like this, they drive well but look terrible. Less polygons than LFS car's from the inside. I hope this project continues and the dev(s) get some help with the models.

Awesome to drive! Prefer driving older cars over latest gen cars. Much more fun and has character. I gfx could be a bit improved I would gladly pay for this.

Thank you for sharing this. Great sound and physics are fantastic. My only wish is the addition of 1970 Camaro.

Thank you.

Just WOW! Awesome work on these cars. All of them are now my top favourite in rFactor2.
Thank you so much!

@borororo we'll take a look. Thanks!

I mean "green arrows" on track not seen through the windshield in some cars.

Many thanks for all the feedback everyone. We'll work on some of the items mentioned for an update, including shadows, the virtual steering wheel angle, brake bias and livery additions.

@strava we'll try and get that loaded in the mod on the next update. It was a custom one done by one of the graphics guys when running the preliminary series at Champion Motorsports. All hail the hood chicken!

@borororo Do you mean it's too difficult to see out through the windshield? Can you message us a screenshot for reference?

@John vd Geest no difference in Pro and Am settings. That's simply there in case leagues wished to multiclass their driver fields. We're discussion possibly removing those tags. As for the shadows, we're reviewing although this wasn't an issue previously.

@Patrick, noted and we will investigate the window issue you're describing.

Amazing . Love it . Congrats !

As a 64 year young sim racer, this is just too awesome for words! These cars will be paired with "La Grand", by WooChoo, in a couple weeks on the !!F3 Fanatics! server. . Thank you so much for this mod!

A must-play mod for Fast and Furious fans. Racing with AI is like watching another F&F movie. Cars are unstable and requires smooth throttle and brake inputs.

BTW, virtual steering wheel doesn't mach witch real, it is weird.

Great job on sound and physics. I think graphics could be better but understand is good enough for a free mod. Thanks.

Thank you.