Good luck! Try not to get discouraged early on, your first few fights might not be fair at all lol. I normally start in Rebirth just for the option to (mostly) get healed back up and trying again if necessary. Starting in the Hub, etc. might have less forgiving outcomes!

Thanks for your replies, okay sound like exactly what I'm looking for :)

I will give the collection a try. Thanks for organising it and making a mod for this in general, super cool!

Another example if you're curious with the Roleplaying collection, go towards the Shek Kingdom and you can see what mid-level Toughness looks like. Shek Warriors constantly battle each other and eventually they succumb to their wounds, but they may stand up once or twice after getting KOed.

Animals more than likely bleed out if they aren't patched up, this can make trade convoys attractive targets with archers since arrows almost always cause bleeding.

Also, if you're playing with the Roleplay collection, try traveling up to Bast if you want to see large scale battles with armored opponents (ie. Multi-front, multiple factions - 100s of combatants dueling it out for territory)

I would probably leave everything set to the Default (ie. Death chance, bleeding, etc.). You can always update this in the future and do an Import.

This mod was built around the default rates, so 4x'ing it would certainly make it untenable lol. With the current setup, you won't really need to adjust the rates in my opinion since you'd more than likely bleed out at <20-30 Toughness and it slowly scales to "manageable" after that. The mod is designed around teetering on the edge of death or surviving to make it more engaging. You can see this in action even in the Hub with bandits dying after battles instead of standing back up with a missing arm lol.

Hi! I am looking at trying out your realistic UWE collection, but I was a bit apprehensive about this mod as I'm not fully sure how it would change the regarding bleeding.

I usually like a very challenging experience, and tend to play with death chance set to 4x. Usually I will play with Hivers, and 4x death chance is already quite punishing, where losing a limb or two can mean your characters bleed out very quickly, or sometimes die immediately.

With the changes from this mod, would you recommend lowering death chance, or do you think 4x would still be doable while playing hive? I don't mind a punishing experience, but I would want to avoid the situation where losing a single limb is always an instant death due to the bleed changes.

You can modify the .mod file directly to change the attack slots, or you can use something like RE_Kenshi [www.nexusmods.com] to modify the attack slots dynamically. You'd need to Import after changing anything though, just to ensure the save file recognizes the changes.

is it possible to change attack slots to 3 ?

Haha no problem bro, good luck! ⚔️

Thanks for the quick reply! Tried it out and it's working pretty well so far. I happened to be in the Fog Islands when I subbed to this mod so I felt its effects pretty quickly! Though considering the fog men's low bleed rate I might have to venture out to test out the new bleeding mechanics :D

Thanks for the mod, very cool

Also this mod was made specifically for the play style you said with small group sizes and more "RP" type tone lol. You can read my giant tedtalk about it in the description, but I wanted it to play better as an "Ironman" type playthrough focusing on smaller squad tactics. Similar to older cRPGs and such ✨🧙‍♂️

You can use either both mods or individually. This mod changes more specific things like bleed rates while I felt the stun mod could be a good balance but optional as it's own mod.

You can test both and see which you prefer better

Hi there! Just subscribed to this mod but haven't been able to try it yet (midnight for me XD gonna play first thing in the morning).

Seems super interesting. I've never played with increased attack slots before, and I noticed in your collection you have the mod Less Stun for More Attack Slots. Is this mod intended to be used with that one? Or would you say it works better standalone?

Just a bit hesitant as I usually play with really small group sizes or even solo, and whenever I read about increased attack slots it tends to favor big groups (naturally).

You could try to use RE_Kenshi to force it, but that may or may not work. Editing it in the mod tools is pretty easy, I made a comment further down on like a step by step process to do it.

Is there any way to reduce attack slot without FCS?

No problem bro, hopefully you get it working as intended.

I did alot more testing, not just with this mod, but with RE_Kenshi and other mods that specifically set Attack Slots. For some reason, I'm stuck with 5x attack slots regardless of any mod (Combat Tweaks, RE_Kenshi, Attack Slots x#) that adjusts them, even when I have a mod that would affect the global constant at the bottom of my load order. Importing after each mod I remove/add doesn't have any effect either. So, it seems like my problem isn't actually coming from Combat Tweaks at all.

Sorry for wasting your time. I might have to do a clean re-install of all my mods if I want to make this one change; I doubt that this is something specific to any of the mods in your collection, but probably how I handled mod installation.

Also you can make sure that the edited mod you made is towards the very bottom so it overwrites everything else before it. This mod only edits Global Constants (and those two block animations), which means it should work with pretty much everything (besides other mods that edit the same lines).

Putting it at the bottom would ensure nothing else is overwriting it.

@T.Y.N

No problem, I have no idea to be honest lol. I guess also double check RE_Kenshi's settings too, but if you want I can make an edited version for you and see if that works? Let me know how many attack slots and I can make it for you and send on Discord or something.

Did a whole bunch of testing with unsubscribing from this mod, using my edited version, and importing (accidentally shuffled my load order in the process so that took a little bit of time to fix), but nothing works. I guess Attack Slots will just be stuck at 5x for me. I don't think this is a mod conflict either, since 95% of my mods are from your collection, and my extra mods don't even touch combat animations or attack slots.

Also make sure it's still in your mods folder after you saved it lol

You might need to Import Game and/or disable/unsubscribe from this mod. The Kenshi/mods folder should overwrite this file, as the mods folder has higher priority over the workshop folder.

Hmm, it seems even after changing the mod's Attack slot section to 3 in FCS, and saving the edit it doesn't actually update the Attack Slots in-game.

@T.Y.N

Haha no problem, I tend to check my Steam notifications for the various projects I have so I can try to respond as quick as I can.

Glad you figured out a work around for now!

It's pretty easy to work around in FCS once you get the hang of it. You can open up the .mod file and click on "Changes" on the top bar, which will show everything I did for the particular mod. Once that screen is open, you can just double click on the Attack Slots portion and edit it to whichever values you want. 1 is the lowest and 5 is the max for Attack Slots.

Didn't expect such a quick response, thanks for answering! I tried using FCS to edit mods before, but struggled with figuring out how to use it, though I'll try it again for this mod.

Before you responded though, I managed to figure out a temporary solution to my issue by manually attacking specific Beak Things in the group that were furthest away from my character, which would sometimes trigger a lunging animation (probably from More Combat Animation or one of my mods) and allow my character to actually deal damage at the expense of getting hit for not committing to 100% blocking.

@T.Y.N

You could always edit the mod file if you'd like in FCS, you'd need to copy it from your workshop folder (you can use the Windows search function and look for "Combat" and it'll find it). Copy the whole folder to your Kenshi/mods folder and rename it to what the .mod file is called (without the .mod part) and you'll be able to find it in FCS.

Alternatively, the general idea is to not get super surrounded on all flanks lol. You can try to disengage and fight them in far less numbers which would allow a chance to counter attack. Otherwise, you'll spend all your time blocking the multiple opponents. Kind of a downside to the increase Attack Slots, but I think it makes it slightly more tactical in a way.

I'm getting the issue where my high level solo character gets stuck infinitely blocking when fighting large groups of enemies (currently fighting like 10 beak things), and almost never getting the chance to counter-attack. I couldn't reduce the Attack Slots with RE_Kenshi, as realized that this mod affects that. Is there any workaround for my situation?

No problem bro, thank you!

I didn't get a chance yesterday, but you could always open up their .mod (or ask the author which Constants are modified) to see if there's an overlap. You can compare it to the screenshot above for this mod which lists all the things changed.

Thanks Igor. Yeah it seemed an interesting concept but was just curious if yours already directly addresses in an identical o similar way.

Honestly your combat tweaks are already 👌 so was more curiosity

@Laughing Forest

I guess it depends on which Global Constant it modifies (mod page doesn't say anything), I can open the .mod and see which specifically it modifies.

You can always load that mod *After* this one and both would work, just whichever specific Constant is modified by that mod would take priority.

Hey Igor, does your mod touch any of this aspect of combat --> https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3074815655

@Alpacalypse (cool name lol)

Yes, these types of mods should go towards the very bottom if possible. They are "Global Constant" mods (things like body weight, bleed stuff, etc), but some mods may try to overwrite them. Typically ones that try to do similar things, like the ones I linked at the top of the Description.

It works fine with UWE though, as it's in the " Roleplay Collection ", which also uses UWE and a bunch of other mods.

You can tell if the bleed rate is working by going into combat, maybe test with/without and see the difference. It's not overly punishing, except maybe in the early game around 0-30ish Toughness.

I would be impressed if someone made a video about this mod though lol. Maybe in the future I'll do a Let's Play or something for the RP collection.

Nevermind, UWE was overwriting it without prompting a conflict notice. I'm still not sure if the bleeding changes are actually in place since I can't find any videos of this mod for referencing, or whether it'll cause any problems with either of the mods, but bodies weigh 80kg now.

I have this mod near the bottom of my list (only things below it are UWE and a pathfinding mod) but it doesn't seem to do anything. Bodies only weigh 30kg, bleeding is slow as normal, etc.
Are there any known incompatibilities with popular mods or something else that could cause it to be overwritten? Mod manager doesn't show any conflicts.

@kush1maru

Thanks for the insight bro

I do remember looking at your mod awhile back before I made this one, but I did end up using yours (and a few others, linked in the description) as inspiration for this one.

It is true though, the Global Constants are so few in numbers that pretty much all tweaks are very similar, besides the "tone" of how deadly or whichever lol. I think there's really only like 10-15 different things you can change, unless you want to go super in-depth and change individual factions, squads, etc. which I probably wouldn't want to try haha

Hey creator of Battle Hardened - Hardcore Combat here, to reply @Bravery on the difference between this mod to mine, just like other mods tweaking combat we are focusing more on global constants value changes, so there isn't anything unique to what we do, most of these are generally nearly identical with minor small changes.

Having said that, and checking both of our changes Combat Tweaks is basically the same as Battle Hardened, with the difference that bleeding is balanced and much better than vanilla values, being an important thing to keep an eye out during a fight, but not to the point it is broken or unbalanced.

As for when I made Battle Hardened, I wanted something much more hardcore and brutal, so my values reflect that with bodypart degeneration 4.5, extra blood loss from bodyparts 3, bleeding clot rate 0.0028. These numbers are really high, and I still play with death chance around 2.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk lol

(I tend to edit these down, but these comment sections can't really be edited after a post)

@Look Maxxing

I suppose you could try both and see? I haven't tried that one yet.

This was mostly just tailored over multiple "Ironman" saves and a couple hundred hours lol. I suppose one difference between This mod and similar ones, is that I tried to make this one "fair" for both Players and NPCs, so nothing feels overtly punishing or annoyingly broken lol.

The idea was to incentives/motivate "Ironman" type playthroughs. If you're *constantly* reloading a save because you died, then it's not really fun or engaging. This mod aims to try and teeter on the edge of bleeding out or miraculously recovering from a wound. When you gain more "Toughness", you can still get mortally wounded but the experience is more fulfilling. In my opinion, probably biased.

There's a variety of small detail changes that make it semi-realistic in a way, to help engage all of the core systems (medical skills requiring training, people weigh more so you can't easily flee from a fight, etc).

how is it different than battle harded one?

@GamerBee

Thanks bro

Thanks, Chumbo. Great mod!!!

@Laughing Forest

Thanks bro. Yeah, I think I looked at that one at some point just to see what all it did.

When making this mod for my Ironman type playthroughs (how I normally play), I just kept adjusting it around after dying and losing that save. I eventually found something that feels moderately fair for Players and NPCs without being super overkill lol. It scales pretty nicely (in my opinion ) even into higher levels.

I've never been in the 90s Toughness/Fighting range, but I could imagine it's probably similar lol

Just returning here to say I've recently tried out a more hardcore version (battle hardened) and a few other options, but your combat overhaul is just the best balance of everything. Great work (again)!

Thanks @maxibread

Yeah, the idea was I wanted to have Players train on Medic in order to make any meaningful heals, otherwise you end up wasting a whole lot of supplies just for a handful of people.

In Vanilla, Bandages and Adv. Medkits are roughly similar, at least in terms of healing (Adv. is more efficient and faster, etc.) At least now, with low Medical, bandages might only heal a single limb.

Grat mod, i love how the medic take more relevance in the game

lol

Haha amen to that. ironman gang raise up

@JimmyJ

Lol yes, thank you! That's exactly what I was going for!

I've tried a lot of the various Combat mods on the workshop, etc. but ended up just making my own (using the others as a reference) and just tweaked it over time as I played a normal "Ironman" game, so it should generally be fair across a majority of the game.

I mainly wanted to make it *engaging* without needing to constantly reload, as it goes against the whole "ironman" style of playing.

Wow thank you! this is probably the best combat difficulty mod that i used, fights now hard&deadly, but not frustrating to the point where hungry bandit with the fcking stick beat you to dead when you 5 minutes in game

I think around ~25-30 toughness is the tipping point in terms of how deadly it can be, which I suppose makes sense because a ~0-20 toughness character might be someone who has *never* been in a fight their whole life (somehow in this wasteland lol).

@Punful Guy

Glad you're enjoying the mod / collection!

Yeah the early game is pretty difficult, you kinda get used to it and learn as you go (it does play pretty differently compared to Vanilla). My first couple of actual playthroughs with this mod / the collection, I admit I did die a few times lol.

I always play in "Ironman" mode, so I accepted those failures as a "failed timeline" for those particular characters and just rerolled a few times until I got the hang of the new difficulty. I almost always play Solo early on (I like the "Solo Rebirth Slave" start on the RPG Collection) which gives me enough time to train and practice in relative safety. Although, with this combat mod and the bleed rates, even the "safety" of Rebirth can lead to a few deaths while you get the hang of it