Mod is out of date. I'll return after tides

Hey Guv, seems like a good mod but i noticed two missing keys in rpfm. Not sure if theyre problematic, but fyi

There, wrote down the changes this mod implements now.

Oh, that old thing.
yeeah it's an old document. I should probably remove it

bij a second thought could this be the result of the patch that made the game smaller combining stuff together for making patching easier that maby aversion is not affected anymore ? (i'm not a modder jsut trowing my thoughts out now)

weird question is the documention outdated ? , it say's on the page that skaven got mostly -60 with most factions. but when i use the mod it's still the usual -100 . (ikit claw and throt quick checked) .but the mod does work cause i also checked empire jsut incase and they have the changed techs .

also i turned all my other mods of just to be sure it was not conflicting and still same results for skaven aversion (haven't checked others if they also are incorrect)

They're competitive. What can I say.

So I don't see chaos dwarfs anywhere? I wish they didnt hate each other when theirs only a few of them.

Na no sweat friend. I am tired of the "SFO?" Questions, but other than that you are within your right to ask

I am suffering from weird end turn crashes. Been hard to have fun

Have turned your little gem here on now. Will let you know if anything seems off. Dunno why I was being extrra submissive to you, I hope ppl realise I do try to help others ;) I guess I am actually a wee bit afraid of you - I vaguely remember you sometimes handing out gentle 'slaps' (metaphorically speaking) if people's questions are too dumb or if you're having a rough day, no? HAHAHA

Are you playing a 5.0 campaign? Which LL? 5.0.1 has indeed dropped today but it doesn't have to do with anything, was a Prologue (wow, how relecant CA!) softlock bug they hotfixes

My bad then, brother. I thought this was updated 2 days before the update was out and could have sworn I couldn't see 5.0 mentioned in changelog. But it was a long day. Had the most obscure bug: even with barebones Mixer + MCT only, the 'All diplomatic options' mod by Inq, updated for 5.0, no complaints from anybody, gives me SIX empty "new races" in the race selection screen (1 screen before LL choice).

Took me AGES to narrow down. I fear modder Inq will be like "sure homie, like if I wouldn't notice if my mod does weird $hit just with Mixer + MCT. Ofc we'd all miss that - maybe you shouldn'tr inhale that bong so deeply...." but let's see. HAHA

Damn, chill. I know mod authors here hate questions but it's within your right to ask. I'm no psychopath like some others lol.

The mod is updated for 5.0. did a new patch get released since then?

Hey @Guv, the update is indeed very cool and appreciated! <3

But as it occured 1-2 days before the 5.0 release, I guess someone has to ask...
(I was a good boy and checked comments, description and changelog! I swear!)

I assume this mod will make no problems when acticated in aa new 5.0 campaign, so at the very least it's 'playable' with 5.0, is that correct? Thank you and sry if i miss smth obvious....

Well, this mod has had it's biggest update since WH3 release.

Tweaked a lot of the technologies that I edited before.
Read change notes for more info

Thank you for updating!! Very nice mod!

Currently this mod crashes the game when used.

I will update when I have the time.

I've made it similar to WH2 with some tweaks here and there.

So basically you seem to have lowered aversion across the board, correct?

Gotcha!

Not compatible with SFO

Mod updated, change notes for more info!

no clue bud

Would this be compatible with SFO?

Milking off AI basically making relations with AI and they pay you? I don't get that too often, as I try not to make too many agreements with redundant factions. It can backfire a lot.

Also I game very hard/very hard too. Makes it a bit less likely

will there be a day when milking of AI ends? g :-)

Mod updated, read change notes for more info

@ZeroOne glad it has not changed a lot. I have yet to utilize the money milking schemes.
Interesting, I might have to add a +10 affection within bretonnians. They are very united after all. But funny at the same time to see some unusual infighting.

@Guv:
sooo dont mess with dwarrfs? g
bit further with Franz campaign.... I can see bit more wars between order factions which feels more interesting and less straight forward "good against evil" at least at turn 20 now.
Averland against Borderprinces (Grenzgrafen in german)
Balthasar G. against surrounding dwarfs and wood elves (poor bastard)
Kislev against everyone bordering them, more ore less (also Talabecland and Ostland before they where only in war with Ostland if I´m right)
Most Bretons are at war with Aquitaine (the faction that owns Bordelaux now....) not sure if this is vanilla or your mod??

my non aggression pact with Durthu is in danger now g so confederation with Gelt has to happen soon...

cause of the war declaration thing... now idea how many 1000 gold I got for joining war and going to peace again without a single fight... thats milking on another level cause of the huge amount of factions g..... just Info for you as your mod isnt affecting this Vanilla milking

Keep in mind Dwarfs are harsher diplomatically. They hold onto bad stuff longer than good

Good analysis, I will debate on this!

@Guv:
This is my overall WH3 IO experience (which I still love). With your mod the difference at the first 10 turns was that I got a trade agreement with Karak Eight Peaks, so no critique at all on your mod just something I wasnt able to get in my forgoing campaigns with Franz.

If you want expand on my thoughts , ... for player joining wars and get money for it is too easy even if jou never meet the faction in battle that offered to go to war with.

I swear I want/try to explain better but sometimes I´m struggeling as english is not my main :-)

Bretonnia also ally quickly due to the techs, so should not take too long for them to start piling up against you

I am not sure if you it's a critique in the way that I did something that you percieve is "bad" or "good"

@Guv:
probably a bit too early... but what I see is, that declaring war doesnt have enough impact in therms of relations with befriended factions of the attacked faction (specially to the same race/culture as the defender)............ If I attack as empire bastonne f.e. the diplomatic relations towards other bretonnian factions get only minor negative impact, or no impact, so I dont have to care too much about declaring war except they had defensive/military alliance.

If the diplomatic impact would have more weight so you are in danger pulling more wars if attacking, the player would have to be more careful / get diplomatic agreements first (regarding to my example above)
but this is tricky as there is soo much to take into account (starting foe, what if you attack a factio of your own culture, quests...

There is a big difference in how cultural aversions work. It's more in line with Warhammer 1/ early WH2 in how factions see eachother

In WH3 aversions are 3 tiers: -10, -40, -100. Also a lot of good factions see "evil" factions with twice the amount of negative attitude towards bad diplomatic events.
This has the problem that wars will trigger quickly and a lot of factions are guarenteed to be at war with one another without complexity. For example, Cathay and Skaven should have an odd relation with one another (in my book). Currently, Clan esshin has it rough with -100 relations with cathay without this mod.

I am still working to improve this mod, so any suggestions would be appreciated.

@Guv:
so far I dont feel to many differences the first 10 rounds (playing with Franz) except I could get a trade agreement with dwarfs (highking) at turn 1 for offerig joining war with their first foe.(that wasnt possible before)

@ZeroOne don't take my word for it, I would want someone to put a coin in as well in the discussions!

@Guv:
as you said :-) your changes make more sense

Nope!

Is this a startpos mod?

@ZeroOne in Wh2 it was easy, Wh3 is a bit different. This is to just change some of the streamlined choices of aversions and somethings I find nonsensical, like tomb kings loving larger empires.

@Guv:
whoo sounds interesting, was reading the explanations under diskussion.... you are right everything diplomacy wise seemed so easy...thxvm

No, maybe, not sure

does this alter similar tables/play nice with loreful strategic threat (https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2854768607&searchtext=loreful) ?

Depends. It entirely depends since the new mechanics of Warriors of chaos I have yet to truly approach.

This is nice.

Are you going to bring over your "War Mammoths for WoC" mod from 2?

Man I hope so :)

I love how to try to show my documentation with a drive link and steam flags it as malicious.
Ty steam. Really making my life easier right now.

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