I might take up the challenge of making a separate submod for Naven's patch, but it's been a while since I last modded anything in TW3. Anyone's welcome to do it, however, if they feel like it. :)

Yeah, I don't have the skills to make this submod attempt to account for another and have a separate list for that. But thanks for the notice, I will add an incompatibility clause in the description.

I had an issue with Naeven's patch actually. Azazel can recruit Fiends for 0 or -1 points. I understand if you don't wanna make adjustments since it's a separate mod

@koncik Thanks a lot for the offer! I might take you up on it :)

However, this submod doesn't do anything to Bull Centaurs or Chaos Dwarfs, and they're not part of the Tzeentch roster - are you using Naeven's patch, maybe, and/or a mod that adds them to Chaos factions, that also might be adding TTC on its own? The problem *might* be elsewhere, so please also check that, or it *might* be in the interaction between submods, but not necessarily with this one. So yeah, please check your other mods (make sure to check if they add TTC on their own), and let me know if you find anything.

@Captain Freakout Last time I played it was on Astragoth with Bull Centaur Renderers - their cost was 0 and on Kairos with Lords of Change - their cost was -1. Feel free to add me and let me know if I can help you in any way. Love your mod man, great idea.

@koncik can you tell me which units exactly did you notice to be mistaken? For some reason WH3 is crashing on me, but I can try to fix it if you give me some hints as to where I should look for problems,

@koncik thx for the report, I will take a look at it again in the coming weeks.

I think mod is no longer working properly - some Tzeenchian units cost -1 or 0, but I do really like the idea of the mod and I hope it will be updated some day.

Should be fixed now, let me know if you have any problems!

I was playing Tamurkhan. I ascended a Chaos Lord in case that's revelant

Probably not. Which faction are you playing?

My daemon prince of nurgle doesn't have a mortals or demons skill. Is that intended?

Yeah that might be a good solution, will take a look. Thanks for the suggestion!

That's fair. I was thinking there might be a way to remove his gifted unit limit which would make him more demon focused too but my attempts failed :/. What if he wasn't a master of demons or mortals? That way he can still focus a bit more on demons without affecting his gameplay negatively

I considered it, but that would make his roster unviable since his faction is technically Warriors of Chaos. I think it'd make the playthrough unnecessarily hard, maybe even unplayable.

Shouldn't Azazel be a Master of Daemons instead of Mortals? He's a Demon prince after all

Yeah, you're entirely right! I don't even recall why I took that decision... Will fix it ASAP.

Might I bring up that maybe Tamurkhan would be better as Master of Mortals? Iirc he was more Marauder focused than Daemon focused?

Updated for the latest patch! Most of the new toys are for Mortals, so I made Bloodbeasts slightly cheaper for Khorne Daemon armies. Let me know if that feels right :)

Thanks for the update! Another must have for me :)

So if anyone is still subbed to this, I've finally had time to sit down again with it and fix it! :) Thanks for the patience, hope you have fun with these rules again!

Thanks Skratch, yeah, I fixed that in my own version of the mod but it's still not working. I'm going to ask some people for help, so it's going to take a while for me to get this done. It's going to take a long time, probably, so if it isn't working for you, please disable it in the meantime.

Hi Freakout, I am using the TW3 Mod Manager and it brings an error message for your mod:
"patch 4.0: New table character_skill_node_set_items_tables requried"
Maybe that would helpl to solve the issue.

@sander454 actually I couldn't solve the problem! On my end it's still not working, lol, but if it's working for you I'm glad!

Thank you!! Now is all working as intended. Apologies for late reply but didn't play with Warhammer recently until last few days;)

Hey all, I've identified the problem with this submod not working. I may have time to solve it tomorrow, but if not, I'll get to it next weekend, promise!

Hey sander454 I spent all my modding time updating another submod so this is gonna have to wait another weekend, sorry! Hope you have another campaign going in the meantime.

Hi sander454 I will, thanks for the report. I think I need to wait for the main TTC mod to be updated as well, but I'll see if I can do something for now this weekend.

Hi Captain Freakout. Unfortunately after newest patch your mod seems to stop working on my Kairos campaign. He can now recruit mortal units as core. any chance of checking it, please?

Thank you Lunsen402!

Played some campaign and it seems to work as intended now. Will tell you if i find anything else though.

will try

@Lunsen402 revised and updated the mod, should be working now! Please let me know if you catch any other problems.

thanks

@Lunsen402 I need to revisit this mod since a few things have changed and there's new RoR and whatnot, so more this weekend :)

Has bloodcrushers been changed? it says in the rules discussion that they are core for deamon lords. But they seem to be costing special points

fair enough - i'll need to play a bit more to see and make up my mind. Currently started it without this mod in the end, so i'll probably need to restart it to see how it works with it, but i do understand your points.

@Vaxar Kun yeah I had to take a difficult decision there, guided less by lore and more by game balance... I decided to treat them as "demonic" because otherwise that would leave Slaanesh Daemons with only 2 Core units (Daemonettes and Chariots), where the other Daemons have 3. I thought it would give them enough "core power" to match the other factions. Slaanehs Mortals don't suffer the Core loss, and they in fact get more varied Special units.

I am interested, however, in seeing if that decision is worth it or not. So I'd like to read your thoughts if that makes sense or if it would in fact be better to treat them as "mortal". Please let me know what you think!

started a nkari campaign, hellstridfers are still core. I understand the mount if daemonic but the unit doesnt have daemonic trait so in that sense it is considered mortal unit, no?

@Vaxar Kun it's fixed, should be running normally now.

I see, thanks for the report, will check it out as soon as I can.

it actually doesnt seem to work. Tested with TTC and this mod only, and marauders with Kairos were core still.

@Vaxar Kun I checked quickly and there shouldn't be a problem, the skills I introduced have a different tier to the mentor ones I can see (they use tier 11, I use 23).

does this require an update, considering lords got new mentor skill?

@Rennen you should have a look at Naeven's rules for Legendary Lords. I don't think his mod does exactly what you're looking for but it does adjust costs depending on the Lord.

@Captain Freakout Hi, thanks a lot for cool submod. What do you think about changing Ungrim's cost of Giant Slayers to 1 blue point? Now it is a bit weird that you can use 20 of common slayers and only 5 of Giant ones and have no place for any blue units at all after that. I think it will be a lot more lore accurate and more fun ofc to not be so hard capped by not so strong units in which you are supposed to be specialized.

@Vaxar Kun I've fixed the allied recruitment issue! However, it meant revamping the mod's structure. Hope it doesn't break anything... still, the mod is much more streamlined now.

Thanks for the report - will see what I can do!

so far so good with one exception: allied recruitment.
i am playing Skarbrand, allied with Kairos and can recruit soul grinder for 2 pips on Mortal lord.
Not a big deal but might as well let you know

At worst you'll have some weird rules in place, I believe, but try it out.