Hello what is the mod load order can I download it for Mod manager, Many Thanks

Here is a collection I have created that works for me as of this date.

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2877990510

Cheers @Banzai Guns I'll check it out when I can.

Okay collection is published.
Whenever Steam deems it safe, I guess it will be available.

Here is the name: SFO Mod List Est. 03-09-22

@Tri-Enclave President CEO
Almost all the ones with issues, will probably be internal conflict with other smaller mods and not with SFO itself.
I just can't be bothered to go through them all one by one and check.

I got a good working list that I am comfortable with.
As long as I can give a bunch of stuff to the AI and I have the Console and Map Editor, I am happy.

Ultimate Chaos doesn't seem to crash with the smaller mod list I'm using, so it must be a mod incompatibility, that and I doubt sorting via file name works as well as I hear.

@zecrayz Sure. No problem.

It won't be for another 24 hours, or so. But, I would be happy to.

I've trimmed down to like 200 mods and still can't get it to start, including cutting all the ones you listed. If you have a functional list working, would you mind posting it as a collection for others to use?

Been looking at this off and on (I only use about 230 of these mods)

*** Mods that CTD ***

Ultimate Chaos (4 mod parts, SFO patch, SFO Additional Units Patch)
Isandor the Elven lord (Mod, SFO Patch)
Cut Content High Elf and Skaven RoRs for SFO (Mod)
Bretonnian Crusades (Mod, SFO Patch, Dukes of Bretonnia submod)

Hope that helps.

For anyone who wants to use this list, it's borked. I've spent the last 3 days trying to get it to work, it just won't. It's dead, and the creator has moved on to WH3. Best of luck to anyone who wants to waste time with this.

thanks imma head out

If you're using KMM, sort by file name, least that's what the description says.
I think it's largely due to mods updating/being deleted (such as the individual Empire Knight Order mods) and causing crashes due to new incompatibilities.

Never got it to work unfortunately, if you've unsubscribed to the SFO Knightly Order mods (those don't work anymore due to the Knight Order mods being rolled into one mod) and apparently the mods Banzai named and MADE SURE they're not enabled despite that and it still doesn't work, then you'll probably either have to experiment which mods are causing crashing or whatever issue you're having, or use another, smaller mod list. Given how big the mod list is, I can't blame anyone for moving on.

how do i get this list to fucking work ive been at it for 3 hours now

I disabled:
MUC Legendary Lords - Isandor the Illustrious
MUC Legendary Lords - Isandor the Illustrious - SFO

Fixed my CTD. Hope that helps.

Still crashing on startup unfortunately, so that's not the cause either.

According to the mod author:
"the individual knightly orders have been removed as i wont be updating them and considered them obsolete. i will be updating this mod and implementing most of their features"

Instead it's "Empire knightly orders."

@Awesome Robot 99
Was wondering what was causing the crashes, hope that works.

Does anybody know how to get the pack working without the population mod? Disabling it and the 'Flamboyant Modlist Addon' pack that requires it causes a crash after picking a lord.

@Dirk Longshaft

As is mentioned by some people below, remove any of the mods that have !gra or something similar in the name. The Count Eldred and Von Stolpe mods still work though

@Awesome Robot 99

Do you have the list of what mods to remove, i've been attempting to get the pack working on and off for a week now with no success, always a CTD on launch.

For anyone who is getting crashing with this mod list; remove all of the SFO patches for Gelatinous' knightly orders mods. He decided for some reason to remove all of his individual knightly order mods from the workshop and now the patches in this list will cause the game to CTD on launch.

Something is making Marienburg go nuts. It has confederated HALF of the Empire, and what's worse is that its not an Elector count nor can be confederated by normal diplomacy. SO ANNOYING.

anybody else have an issue where karak norn cant declare war on anyone and you the player cant declare war on them in my playthrough as chaos they are -250+with everyone but nobody is at war with them and i cant fight them

@Flamboyant Schemer61
first: great collection, very much thanks for that
you wrote in your intro that you´re open for additions?
i recomend the Tier 4 Minor settlements with walls, to reduce stress over building priority,and / or more building slots for capitals and a optional 3x skillpoint submod

Quick update: mod conflicting with crusade was the medallion of claqua, now it's working. Also Sons of Bretonnia can't be embedded into an army? they have no actions.

@MrBlazzer you mean in lord selection? I noticed he takes a very long time to load, seemingly crashing the game, but then it recovers. Have you tried waiting?

Also mortkin crashes the game for me if I select him which is unfortunate

@BranVanFlakes if you are still wondering the issue is "Flamboyant's - Modlist Addons" as it edits the population mechanic so without populations enabled this mod crashes the pack as it references population stuff.

It is possible to edit that mod yourself to make it not crash without population but that's up to you if you want to actually do that.

Dont you worry man!

I have a little problem: I think something is conflicting with the "Crusade" mechanic for Bretonnia, cause I see the central button but it's empty black

@pikcount
you just need to wait without clicking anything else man

I'm struggling to find a job thats why I wasnt acvtive on wh2 lately. Deeply sorry about the update on the mdolist but I will do my best. And as always, a big thank you to everyone who supported me, love you all!

Check if there's a submod, or any related mod.

Speaking of the population mechanic, anyone have a clue why disabling those mods breaks the whole pack? Works flawlessly with them on, crashes with them off. I hate that mod so any advice would be great.

Could it be the Population Mechanic? Try disabling it

The pack seems to work for me as long as the !gra mods are disabled. But does anyone have any clue what mod might be causing hordes (Chaos, Beastmen, VCoast, Black Arks, etc) to all have a -11 base growth? Kind of makes several factions borderline unplayable.

I went through them all and found that 'Flamboyant - Modlist Addons' was causing the CTD. Thanks for the help and advice Mathayus, but I don't want to try unsubbing, deleting, then resubbing to all of the mods just to get this one mod working. However, if I CTD when starting a campaign, I know what I'll be doing.

That's because of mods that stay enabled even if you dont want them to. Unsub + delete mod folder, and resub, then proceed to try launching deactivating !gra stuff (again, I was stuck on CTD for a while before I realized there was a couple still active!) and the gates of chaos mods

I can now load the game with KMM with mods, but it still crashes with all of them enabled, so I guess I just need to go through them all to find the one that causes my game to crash. Strangely, I still can't load the game with all mods disabled with KMM.

The game launches with no mods through the CA launcher, but still crashes with no mods through the KMM launcher. Very sad

Ok, now the game loads from the CA launcher. How do I check that the mods are installed correctly?

Yep. I just verified the game files and im going to try what you said again.

Are you using KMM 1.8.15? Did you "clean data and exit application" while also disabling the mods from it?

@Mathayus I cleaned the data, then when to launch it without using KMM, I checked that all the mods were disabled and it still crashed. When I did the fresh install I launched the game and it worked, and I also launched the game after installing KMM, before subscribing to any mods, and that worked. I have no idea why its now crashing with all mods disabled, even from the Creative Assembly launcher.

@Jafoolyplu If you crash even with no mods activated, you should do a "clean data" from KMM menu, then launch the game normally from its original launcher. After this, go to KMM and make sure you have the mods properly installed (you might have to make sure using original launcher and downloading them again). Try launching again. By the way, double check "gra" mods cause there are a lot (and with different load order). Lastly, load as KMM says, by file name (if it's upsidedown KMM will tell you)

I've done a fresh install of Warhammer and KMM, and haven't subscribed to any of the Grand Order (!gra) mods or the chaos gate mods, but I still CTD on start-up. Even when I have no mods selected I still CTD, so I have no idea whats happened now. :(

Try disabling any mod concerning chaos gates

I have none of the !gra mods installed but I still ctd on start-up, are there any other mods that people know of that I need to disable?

Thx guys, this really did solve the issue. Even tho I had subscribed to only one of the !gra mods, even after unsubscribing the mod kept appearing in the KMM so I had to uncheck it in the manager. This really saved me a lot of time and effort. Much appreciated.

I can confirm that this works if you disable all the !gra, !!gra and !!!gra mods. Be careful not to miss any.

After some tinkering, the modder who made all those !gra mods, I just unticked all of his mods and it seemed to work fine.