@slzre That was experimented with, but dropped, as the expanded limit provided already is beyond the game's effective ability to handle in conjunction with other limits. In those cases where somebody had already filled up the expanded capacity, adding more didn't help, because the error they had that was causing the fill-up quickly expanded to fill the additional units.

In short, if you are hitting the limit provided by this mod, you have an issue with your save and you need to fix it - adding more units won't help you.

@algernon is it possible to make even more citizenunits?

@Uight Uhh, no, the More Vehicles approach won't work, as Citizen Instances is already at the ushort max value. More Vehicles just uncaps the artificially lower limit and raises it to the ushort max. Citizen Instances is already there.

@algernon i looked at the code of more vehicles and this and id guess combining the approaches would allow to increase the citizen instances too.
Yet that would probably need so many patches and your right the game seems to be mostly bottlenecked by the citizen instances as im allready only running 15 FPS with 61500 instances and 390k pops 18k cars without hitting any of my PCs limits
Lets just hope teh new game gets better so i actually want to build my next big city there....

could you make a more vehicles mod it seems that the one currently out is not functional

@algernon ahh too bad. i didnt even really realize im at limit because i think the actual cap is around 61500 instances. I just realized traffic dying down with wider city sprawl and when i finally removed seaguls and then animals i lost 800 and 2500 instances but filled up back to 61500 instantly

@Uight Citizen Instances? No, unfortunately. I did try, but it was just beyond the game's realistic ability. 65,535 isn't an arbitrary number, but is a fundamental programming limit (the maximum number of instances that can be indexed by a 16-bit binary index).

In my newest savegame with around 370k pops i only use 54% of citizen units as the city isnt that big but since im using all industries and around half of the city is low density im actually running out of citizen instances. I guess theres no way to get that up?
Id expect teh game to get way slower but a bump to around 80k would be really nice

@umran112demir Unfortunately, no. Attempts were made, but failed. The only thing to do is reduce your usage (removing pipes/powerlines, merging segments, replacing decorative networks with props/procedural objects/Intersection Marking Tool lines/etc.)

Is there a way to increase network limits? I've never encountered anything like this before, even though I've taken many subway and bus trips. I'd appreciate any help, thank you.

@umran112demir This mod doesn't affect transportation stops and connections. That sounds more like network issues, either you've hit the network or node limits, or you've got broken nodes in your networks. Have you checked against the game's limits?

Hello friend, after I started using this mod, all transportation units (bus, metro, tram, train, and monorail) started losing stops and losing connection between stops. I didn't have this problem before, but after I broke this mod, my city's population wasn't even 50,000 yet, and as I built too much road, transportation units started to break down. How can I fix this? Can you help?

ok! Thanks

@vila浅水荟澄 You can use it as much as you want. If the airline HQ is causing you problems, you might need to make the decision as to whether you want it in your city at all.

So the second option can only use once in the savegame?

The second option "Reset Array" help me decrease around 80k and the first option 3k. But the Airline HQ seems not influenced by them and it will increase 100k back after deleting and re-load. If I delete HQ for second time, the units wont decrease.

@vila浅水荟澄 That building can take a lot of units, yes - try deleting and re-placing. Also try running this mod's cleanup options once you've done so.

Well, the "Airline HQ" from Airport DLC cost me 100k citizen units. I never modify before.Is it possible to make a detect tool?

@vila浅水荟澄 Yes, if a building's capacity is increased or decreased in any way, then that will affect the CitizenUnit usage accordingly, in line with the population. Both Realistic Population 2 and Ploppable RICO Revisited have been extensively tested and confirmed to not cause any issues with CitizenUnits.

Does building modified(increased or decreased capacity) by Realistic Population or Ploppable RICO matter? Only school capacity are modified by Customized It.

@vila浅水荟澄 Typically it's modified buildings, most notably those with large population numbers. CitizenUnits are needed for each household, and every five (or part thereof) work and study places. Having buildings with large capacities requires an appropriate number of CitizenUnits to be claimed, even if they're unoccupied. Every time a new building spawns (or is plopped), CitizenUnits will be used up.

However, there's currently no known 'artificial leakage' of CitizenUnits the same way that e.g. pathing errors can cause PathUnit leakage.

What known issues can cause the citizen units to grow abnormally? The population of my city has been around 90k, and the citizen units has not reached its upper limit yet, but it keeps growing. I need to occasionally use TMPE to clear all vehicles and pedestrians, so that the citizen units can return to around 180k. At present, I have only noticed that hotels and shelters and modified building(by Customize It)/vehicles(by IPT2) occupy a large amount of citizen units.

true but i dont play it because of 2 reason one performance still sucks second they made the gameplay less easy and fun i wish someone made a mod that turns cs2 to like cs1 with all the easy systems like electricity water ect

@gametijdnl Nothing to do with the engine, and because that would require rewriting the game using a completely new architecture. Which means making a new game. Which is what they did.

ok so why dont the devs update the game to a better engine that support more bit

The index and data structures for citizens (and much of the other game data) is limited to 16-bit, which maxes out at 65 535 (plus zero index for null). Going beyond that requires rewriting the game.

My guess is there is a hard coded int which is why the limit of real citizens is ~65k. Citizen UNITS are a different thing entirely.

can i ask why its it impossible to change the lmiti of the citizens to higher and not let it crash because i dont have complete the city because i cant get more citizens while the pc of mine can run it

I reset the citizen units by your mod, the population reduce to 200,000 but when I reload my game it turns to 310,000, while the number of citizen unit down to 320,000. That's great!

That's a relief for me. Thanks!

@fk It means that there are no detected problems, other than ones that were fixed.

hi, I have used advanced vehicle options mod and modified some vehicles' capacity, and my citizen unit is 450,000 while population is 270,000. I wonder if sth was wrong so I click the invalid checks button from your mod to load the game and nothing happened. Does this mean there is no problem of my save?

I guess LOL, next time no real population mod so i don't hit the limit so soon

@Gascon97 At 1 million pop, definitely. You've almost certainly hit multiple game limits behind the scenes and your city isn't really functioning properly. Congratulations, you've finished the game! Time to start a new city, maybe?

Yep I did and did nothing guess I over extended too much and the game just can't handle it

@Gascon97 Have you tried the mod's functionality to rebuild your CitizenUnit array?

A shame the game limits population

0/0 I meant

I'm not, Im constantly getting / for residential buildings despite resetting the citizien units every time I load, don't know gow or why but my citizien units are at MAX every game and I can't find a reason

@Gascon97 Also note that 'CitizenUnits' are NOT Citizens (since re-reading what you wrote makes me suspect that you might be confusing the two).

@Gascon97 The game has a hard pop limit of just over 1 million. You can never go over that, no matter what you do.

Even after using this mod I stll get the cap of citizien units, tried to build a huge city but I can't get passed the 1Million people even afer having load sof houses as they show 0/0, tried ressseting multiple times but there are always lots of them showimg that. Guess double the vanilla amount is not enough for me

I was still having issues and decided to try the "Reset entire Citizen Unit array on next load" option and it cleared up 180,440 citizen units. Holy cow! I just left a small thank you in Ko-fi

That freed up a lot of citizen units in my old city. almost 7k

nice, thank you!

@jac96 Yes, definitely. Just make sure the the mod is set to use the vanilla CitizenUnit limit (in the options panel, should be there by default already but check just to make sure) before you load your city.

Is it possible to check and fix invalid CitizenUnits without committing a city to this mod?

@ws_tham If that's happening then there's no point to a higher limit, because that would quickly fill up to due to whatever's causing your current issues.

Rather than trying to increase the limit, you need to identify and resolve what's causing your CitizenUnit usage. Otherwise no amount of limit increase will help.

Is there a way to increase the citizens unit to unlimited, because when I grow my city, it still reaches the limit.

@1942ertan

drop the seagulls mod and get Hide it! (its all in one) has alot of things you can hide!.