Updated to version 4.2

Thank you to everyone for your support over the last four years but I will no longer be able to maintain this project going forward. Please feel free to clone the repository at: https://github.com/Joseph-Anthony-King/influence_ethics.git

Updated to version 3.14 after reviewing the patch notes, no conflicts noted. Please make any reports of any issues here and I will try to follow up on them. Thank you.

https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Patch_3.14

Please feel free to copy the code and implement it in your mod if you want to take responsibility for maintaining base files without renumeration.

Just an update for everyone, I found a mod, Expanded Espionage and Diplomacy, that adds espionage operations to the ai, https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2574175110 . It does this by modding the 00_base_policies.txt file and the 00_base_strategies.txt file both located in ai_espionage folder as indicated by Ever Universe. I'm not going to be implementing that in this mod. I currently have the Forward Earth mods noted above that implement extensive mods to base files the common folder. To be frank, every time there is a major update it is big freaking pain in the arse. Those files change so often that each update already takes about a day for the few mods I currently have... so I'm not doing that anymore. The code can be found here: https://github.com/Joseph-Anthony-King/influence_ethics Good luck.

Thanks @Ever Universe! I'll make the appropriate updates.

@joseph_anthony_king; AI needs to attribute a spynetwork strategy first to a spynetwork, and within that spynetwork strategy there are specific operations defined that can be used by AI. In turn, each of those operations has an AI random weight associated with them through espionage policies. All of those are within the ai_espionage folder. espionage_operation_types only creates the operations, but it doesn't enable AI to actually use them because AI needs to know what to do with them first, which is scripted within ai_espionage. That wiki page is only for operation modding. From what I can see, the wiki doesn't have a page for AI espionage modding. You don't need a wiki page anyway. It's pretty easy to figure it out by looking at how vanilla scripts do it. I myself have scripted dozens of operations to work for AI, and ai_espionage is a crucial folder for such.

@Ever Universe, I'm not seeing that as a requirement in the Stellaris wiki. What documentation is there regarding that?

https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Espionage_modding

@Batniel; From what I see in the files, AI can't use this operation because it's not scripted in ai_espionage.

Updated to version 3.13, and FYI... I checked it out and the AI should be able to use this.

Hi Batinel, I don't believe so

Thank you for the update! Does the AI use it?

Hello everyone! Sorry I was away for awhile but I've built a new custom PC and have updated this mod to version 3.12.*! If any one is interested you can check out my custom build at:

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/tjrrxr

Just an FYI, I'm currently selling the gaming laptop this mod was coded on to finance a new custom deaktop machine and should be able to update this by mid to late June. For anyone interested it's an ASUS G703GS-WS71 and is a great machine. The RBG effects are not working but I used a Logitech keyboard and used this pretty much as a desktop. The current top bid is $260 with a buy it now price of $390. If you're interested here is a link to the Ebay listing, the auction closes on Tuesday at 9pm PST:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315366606997?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=TfaBbqCxTc-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=TfaBbqCxTc-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Hello everyone, sorry to say this is no longer being maintained. My gaming laptop is getting older so I want to sell it to finance a new desktop before it gets too old. I'm not sure when that will happen so this is no longer being maintained.

Please feel free to copy this and make your version. Sorry everyone.

Sorry SanJJ... not happening. I'm saving up to make a new desktop and no longer have a computer.

Waiting for an update!

Just a quick note on mechanics, just like in real life there is the possibility for unintended consequences. Your empires ethics are FAVORED but not determinative, your action can have unintended consequences... like the US sponsored Shah autocoup ended up leading to the Islamic Republic. This is by design... sorry.

Updated to version 3.10... sorry for the delay!

Favorited and diligently waiting for 3.10 update

Mod used to work, for some reason now it doesn't. Everything appears to function as normal except the ethics attraction either seems exceptionally weak or nonexistent.

So, tried this in a recent playthrough, ran it 3+ times in a row for 3 separate authoritarian empires vs my egal/xenophile - not only did their ethics not shift to even one of mine, one of them became more militaristic, and another more xenophobic...

So I'm thinking either its not working or the attraction needs to be stronger?

Also worth a mention, it's still using energy credits, not influence, which is the only reason I could even afford to spam it like that :D

Just a quick mention, I know someone mentioned do the AI use it, and you thought they should as you haven't forbidden it, but I'm not sure if that is how it works as each operation has a weight attached to it so the AI can decide which to use, so in theory if you didn't add weights, the AI will not use it :)

OMG another mod that i need in my current save, Save game comp?

Updated to version 3.9!

Updated to version 3.8!

@Auren was just about to use this mod but I play with Ethics and Civics Bug Branch. Have you uploaded your bug branch compatible version yet?

Updated to version 3.7.*!

Hi @Auren! No, I don't mind at all. Please feel free to use this mod in your own mods. I consider my mods as open source.

So yeah, I ended up spending several hours making a version of this mod that would work with the Civics and Ethics: Bug Branch Mod and *probably* also work with the Civics and Ethics Classic Rework Mod. Do you mind if I publish that version as long as I give you credit? If not, no big deal, but figured some others might like a version that includes the additional Ethics that are included in those mods.

Hey there. I'm curious if this mod works with other mods like the Bugged Ethics Mod, which within its base adds more Ethics within the traditional Ethics choices. If not, do you mind if I make my own version of this mod that can also work with the expanded Ethics from the Bugged Ethics Mod?

you are welcome :)

...and thus saving the best for last... I LIKE IT @ERAZIL! Thank you for the feedback, I've gone ahead and made the change... thanks!

Thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for :)
( I don't understand why paradox didn't do it.... )

just a small remark about the display order, apparently it is sorted alphabetically by file name AND of course by order in the files.

to add the spy operation of this mod is at the end of the list and keep the logic of display by level of infiltration it is enough to rename the file "influence_ethics_operations.txt" in "z_influence_ethics_operations.txt" for example, or a name beginning with a letter that after the O of "operation.txt".

https://prnt.sc/pCumEJdd6rAr
a small screenshot to see the result (interface in French but it does not change anything to the result I think ;) )

Updated to version 3.6.*!

Thanks Blueberry1Vomi1t!

this is one of those mods which you really have to ask why the devs didn't put it in the base game.

Updated to version 3.5.*!

Hi @CTH2004, Patchezs mod may do that.

I wish that, if you have 2 ethics, it doesn't apply the negitive one to your other ethics. So, if I have fanatic xenopile and equaltirian, equaltarian only get's the bonus, not the negative.

Awesome! It's available here: https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2851378167

Yeah, definitley Patchezs... great work!

I was toying around with the mod files and I developed a solution that would let the player choose which ethics you want to steer a target empire towards - even if you don't have those ethics (or are a gestalt empire).

Basically I split the operation into four different operations, for each ethics axis (one for authority, militarism, spirituality, and xenophobia). Then in the second stage of the operation, you choose which side of that axis you want to promote (e.g. xenophilia or xenophobia, etc.)

Would you be okay with me releasing my own branch of this mod (with full credit to you as the original author) that makes that possible?

This operation now only applies to non-gestalt empires... both in terms of originator and target.

Hi patchezs, unfortunately no... there is no way to choose an ethic. It's been a while since I wrote this but I just took a look at the code and I could only create a weight towards particular ethics. The actual event is like a random die roll and I do not have the ability to change that. Unintended consequences are a risk with any intelligence operation... in the real work look at Iran after the US intervention in the 50's. I'm thinking about removing the operation for Gestalt empires but as for all others... use with caution... just like the real world.

Would it be possible to choose what ethics the target empire is steered towards?

I'm playing as a Rogue Servitor, but I want to steer neighbouring empires towards an egalitarian/pacifist path. Since my empire is just "Gestalt" I don't seem to have the ability to influence them towards any particular ethic - unless I'm missing it?

Hi @Yaddah and @Reckless, this was based on the pre-existing intelligence operations. The code can be reviewed here:

https://github.com/Joseph-Anthony-King/influence_ethics

The potential targets are listed here:

https://github.com/Joseph-Anthony-King/influence_ethics/blob/main/common/espionage_operation_types/influence_ethics_operations.txt

potential = {
has_nemesis = yes
target = {
not = {
has_country_flag = influence_target
}
}
}

If i'm reading this correctly they would be valid targets of this operation. Is that what you're seeing and do you think this should be changed?

ye, nice question, what about gestalt?

Hey. What happens with Gestalts?

Updated to version 3.4!