based mod that forces Shogun 2 players to actually think and play the game now

Very important mod, But Need updata to New ModManager.

Turns out the mod triggered even with the 10th anniversary mod, it just needed a turn to pass :)

Mod works great on its own, it solved my biggest gripe I always had with Shogun 2, the fact that you have all these cool samurai units and they all get beaten by bunch of spear peasants.

I am trying to make this work with the 10th anniversary edition but I guess there is some conflict, because the yari retain their spear wall ability. I am using the whole 10th anniversary collection, this mod automatically jumps first in load order but doesnt work:/

@DyingWhisper

The ai seems to use them just fine without wall. They are extremely cheap. Can be recruited in one turn and are half the upkeep of samurai units. They replenish faster than any other unit. They get experience upgrades from higher tier castles. They don't take up a building slot to train. They benefit from upgrades more because of their unit size and cheapness. +6 attack > on 400 ashigaru vs 160 samurai. They have great bonus against cavalry.

They have plenty going for them. The problem with yari wall is with proper use, every other melee unit is pointless as why bring 1 katana samurai when you can bring 2 or 3 yari who have wall?

If you're a wiz at abusing yari wall the game becomes easy. I've seen more than one player say they don't use yari wall for these reasons. Imhotep was nice enough to upload a mod for it. It's not useless even if it doesn't meet your tastes.

@THCRMSNCHN

Sorry, I don't know how to do that. This is a simple mod that turns off Yari Wall for everything in the game with one line of table entry.

@DyingWhisper

Well, the mod's probably not for you then. About half the units I build are Yari Ashigaru and I still think they're great value, even without the overpowered Yari Wall ability, so maybe you haven't worked out how to use them effectively.

this mod is useless lmao, spears without the spear wall XD completely pointless since they are some of the weakest units in the game, with their only plus being the spear wall

Cool mod man. I was thinking it would also be cool to tie the yari wall ability to a general skill kinda like cavalry wedge formation so you could still use it without letting yari be too OP. Do you have any pointers on how to make a mod to do this? I know its more complicated than simply turning the ability off but anything would help. Thanks

I'm keeping it as it is, as I don't think Long Yari Ashigaru need the bonus ability.

I just double-checked, and the Oda Long Yari Ashigaru are not double the maintenance. They are double regular Oda Yari Ashigaru maintenance, but Oda have cheaper Ashigaru due to their clan bonus. Yari Ashigaru for other clans are 75 maintenance, compared to Oda Long Yari Ashigaru's 100.

Here are regular generic Yari Ashigaru stats compared with Oda Long Yari Ashigaru:

Recruitment Cost - 250 v 400
Upkeep Cost - 75 v 100
Melee Attack - 4 v 7
Melee Defence - 3 v 5
vs Cav - 20 v 30
Armour - 2 v 3
Morale - 5 v 6

Long Yari Ashigaru clearly have better stats at not a lot of extra cost. If regular Yari Ashigaru are fine without Yari Wall, I have no doubt that Long Yari Ashigaru will be too.

I hope I have allayed your concerns about Oda Long Yari Ashigaru and Yari Wall. If not, you are free to make your own mod in which Long Yari Ashigaru have the Yari Wall ability, but others do not!

If you want balanced, remove it for everyone except the long yari. Simple as that

I don't think Long Yari Ashigaru would be "useless".

Regular Yari Ashigaru are certainly not useless, even without Yari Wall, and I use them a lot. Long Yari Ashigaru are enhanced regular Yari Ashigaru, costing twice the maintenance, but having better Melee Attack, Melee Defence, vs Cav and Armour.

Personally, I stopped using Yari Wall ability a long time ago, as I think it's OP. I made the mod so that the AI wouldn't use it either, as they don't use it well.

As such, I think the game is better balanced by removing the Yari Wall ability.

They're super weak to range weapons and close combat without spear wall. Basicly useless without it.

@AbatedFawn

Sounds like the nerf would be good for them. From the wiki: "Oda Long Yari Ashigaru in Yari Wall can comfortably defeat nearly any other standard unit in Total War: Shogun 2, defeating even the anti-infantry oriented Katana Samurai with half their men remaining."

Rip LONG yari ashigaru.