The mod also needs a carve-out for wood elves. Impossible to operate using the world tree network properly unless you are going there explicitly to conquer the local province. This precludes taking advantage of most of the confederation quests.

shoud be increased

shoud be reduced

Could someone update it ?

Makes low-economy factions unplayable and sacking profitless, especially for factions that don't operate on supply lines in the lore like greenskins and norsca. Have fun leaving your territory for two turns for a 3000 gold sack city and your upkeep quintuples.

Is it possible to include vassal, or perhaps even allied settlements, to the upkeep calculation?

I was wondering if you could add something to this mod so that when your army is in raid stance it reduces the upkeep penalty, simulating the army living off the plunder and foraging during raiding.
The reason I think this is a good idea is that the upkeep penalties scale up pretty damn quick, even when your army is still within a province or region that you own, sometimes making it near impossible to attack anyone because your money would drain so quick that it is unfeasable to actually send your army out. Something that could take the edge off a bit would help immensely.

I love the mod, but IMHO there really should be a cap. It would not really cost 3-5 times more to supply an army at a distance since they would have left with all of their supplies for the campaign as soon as they left friendly territory. I am thinking 2.5 times upkeep might be a good place to cap the costs at.

Thanks for all the work you do!

This is a gem of a mod. Please keep it updated :)

does this work with supply lines reworked mod? if not is this better?

Great mod!
How does it work in its current form with the latest updqte?

Having played with this mod I love it but I have found a small problem when playing as the Wood Elves, Drycha specifically. The upkeep penalty is just unplayable when you want to interact with the forests further away, I'm talking 14k+ for my army I sent the the Gaean Vale.

You subtitled the features section with "Full Garrison Control". In other news, I *love* your mods.

Hey, really loving your mod. Have an idea about making skaven able to resupply from undercities though. Currently right beside an undercity im getting +%30 upkeep. I thought it'd be cool. Thank you for your work man!

This is a really good mod, and I agree with a few comments here that I think would make it even better. Adjustments per faction might be too much (also considering all the modded factions out there), but some general tweaks to make it less harsh would be really good. It's quite difficult with factions that have smaller economies at the beginning of campaigns to invade neighboring regions, and the offset, that you'd have cheaper defensive armies, doesn't really make a difference when you're at war with another minor faction or even a major faction that's still relatively small. I think it makes the campaign beginning a little too static for a bit too long, and I don't think it'd give factions that start with more solid economies too much of an advantage. In fact, it would balance the situation I'd guess, since they / you could go ahead and invade earlier on, as in the regular campaign, and you'd make use of your cheaper defensive armies since the start.

This is a great idea in principle but really needs to be customised per faction playstyle in order to work in practise, in addition to taking into account many other variables. I am sure this will be a WIP so thanks for all the hard work you are dong for this community! :)

Realy liked this mod for my elf campaign, However now on the grom's campaign it feelz like an arbitrary handicap. The orc's seem to play atlot like a Roaming faction, You want to find the best Lootin and fightin, Not protecting a bunch of territory.

Also this does not seem to take underways into consideration, Making an army's Cost 40 to 50% more even tho they are just one underway jump away.
Baring all that, I feel like the Cost increases are a little to steep, I was getting 20% higher upkeep even tho i was right next to my Territory.

Still tho, For the high elfs this is perfect, Made there vortex campaign alot more interesting then it otherwise is.

I absolutely love this mod. This allows me to have a defensive force so no more random AI marching along and hitting undefended settlements.

should work with allies/vassals.

This is a great mod and has alot of potential. Is it at all planned to allow Skaven under empires to either count as a friendly settlement or at least lessen the supply line upkeep cost?

@Athreon,
This is planned but will be quite a bit of work to work and be optimized. So will be included with the next update, along with raiding stance and worldroots support, next to some general balancing

Great mod, really enjoying the change in how it makes the game work. I was wondering, would it be possible to make it so that allied settlements affect the supply line as well? As it stands, it's very difficult to send armies to support allies on their frontlines.

Thanks for this mod. I've enjoyed it so far, but as others have suggested, I think adding an upper bound to supply lines would be useful. Playing as Eltharion and trying to wipe out Grom, the upkeep on one of my armies is +97% and I'm only at Deff Gorge. It seems this mod forces constant expansion, but I think there's a sweet spot to still allows expedition armies to exist without making their upkeep impossible to maintain.

Hello I have a suggestion. I dont know if that would be possible to do but here it is:

The dynamic upkeep should be based on the nearest developed settlement, so low level settlements give higher upkeep penalties and high level ones give upkeep reductions based on how close you are to them.

I think this would fit the idea behind this mod and penalise fast expansions more, which make sense.

@Deornwulf I agree.
It's best to return the additional upkeep for creating a new Army. The fact is that the mod removes penalties for the Army.

Not at all sure how feasible this would be, but adding a building which enables the supply distance mechanic might be a way to reign in the power. Would help slow down expansion slightly and consume a building slot. You could also add an upkeep to the building if it still felt over-tuned.

Love the mod :)

The mod is great but makes it too easy to field a ridiculous number of armies once an Empire's economy really starts humming.

Would it be possible to include increased costs that kick in when the number of armies gets too high or is far greater than the number of provincial capitals controlled?

This mod is great. Some unsolicited feedback: Not sure if it's possible, but a cool change would be to calculate the upkeep debuff based on how far your army is from an owned/captured capital (not just your starting one), or make it so you have to upgrade the capital to level 2/3/4 before it counts as a viable supply line source.

I was looking for a mod to disable supply lines, but this is even better

Feedback during a H2H campaign, Throt vs Sisters: The mod makes the game a lot easier. You basically have near permanent -5% upkeep on all armies, often -15%, if you expand "normally". I think making the upkeep dependant on the center of your realm or (more probable because the former seems impossible) distance to your capital. Right now, expansion does not punish your logistics at all.

@semillakan6 388%?!?! 😱🤯

Yeah that waaaaaaayy too high. I think a minimum and a maximum value would be more fitting as well.

That sounds impossible to pay for lol 😅😆

Adding to my previous comment I think implementing a hard max value would be good

I like the idea of the mod but it's broken with the Wood Elves I get %388 upkeep because I used the world roots to get to my quest with oreon's camp

bug: conflict with Alberic: Lord of the Seas

seconding that this mod causes conflicts with mods that give LLs shipbuilding mechanics from other mods. 100% certain.

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@Drakken There's a possibly multiple values from different modifiers are stacking. I think this mod is using some custom tables and it's just throwing a percentage to it. Percentages can apply to anything. Like if your army suffered a campaign debuff that is stacking with this. I'm not sure, not just food for thought.

I had one army that was +43%...

Doesn't that make the campaign too much easier? This is the impression I have, I would like to have opinions.

Excluded Norsca from dynamic supply lines until I do another pas of the script and add stuff like raiding stance into the mix.

I think it ranges from a -15% to +15% but I'm not entirely sure.

Is there a maximum increased upkeep?

@Captnlarry Somebody else will probably have to make an SFO compatibility submod. Hertz is making an entire mod series that looks to be balanced around vanilla. The man will already have his hands full.

If it helps though, I am using Radious and they work. There are some small balance factors, but, they're minor enough to not upset the game. They actually make it, hmmm, more dynamic! lol :D

when sfo is updated, are there any plans to make an sfo submod?

"Join SFO or DIE"

You should really try to get a spot in the SFO team, almost all of your mods are high class shit, and i think the decision between your mods and SFO will put you in a worse spot.
But yet again, your mods are insanely good, especially this one. Will new races follow tho?

See this in grim hammer would be amazing

Cool Idea! Could you make this adaptable based on buildings? e.g. Only works in a region with roads.
Some form of investment to stop players just grabbing an isolated and underdeveloped settlement for the buff would make this mod even more meaningful!

I love this mod

@8 Hertz WAN IP
this mod is a very brilliant idea, but it is not compatible with:
Wulfrik: Wanderer of the Sea - Updated!
Black Ark for Lokhir Fellheart - Updated!
Alberic: Lord of the Seas - Updated!
and make their additional unique lords hordes disappear.
Is it possible to make them compatible? many thanks.