thank you!

I meant 10, of course. Fixed now, thanks!

I think it's only x10 but yeah it should work if you just divide the gold cost by 10 in the defs.

Okay, yep. I forgot to account for small items being multiplied by 100 in recipes. Let me fix that quickly...

Hmm, did something get changed in how small items work or did I make a typo?

@Hologast the bulk advanced component crafting recipe use 10x too much gold compared to the single crafting recipes.

Excellent response to user feedback, I wish I could like and favorite it again but I already did before.

Okay, now that I've finally published a smelter mod, the grace period is over and tungsten carbide is now craftable at smelters only. Thanks for your patience!

i guess

i just found it interesting that tungsten was the only metal out of the IRL metals in the vanilla game and this mod that couldn't be smelted in a crematorium

(ash its just a play on words) :)

yeah

and for holgast, its your mod you can do whatever you wish sir, im just glad that an electric smelter can be used.

i don't think that has anything to do with what i said but whatever

it could always be worse... you could have hit an f instead of the c in curious :)

i was curious what can i say

for reference "According to the National Funeral Directors Association which is the largest industry association (founded in 1882), “The optimum temperature range is 1400 degrees to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit for the cremation chamber.” aCremation’s Dallas cremation chambers (also called retorts) are typically kept at 1650 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature is constantly monitored by the crematory operator to
ensure it is maintained between the required levels." tungsten melts at about 6,192 °F which means it's need temperatures around 3 time that of the average crematorium

let me correct myself i looked it up out curiosity but turns out a the average temperature of a crematorium is actually hot enough to melt gold,steel and silver but NOT tungsten it's only half of the temperature needed to melt tungsten and then comes that problem that most people who play modded don't really use the crematorium because of mods that allow you to use the corpses for other things

Yeah, I was considering making an advanced smelter, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I had a similar thought with making them have different amounts of work for in a crematorium or not, but it probably wouldn't make sense.

hi, thanks for adding a smelter as an option, i can get the mod now :)

i wanted to get this mod before, but was waiting until i actually needed a crematorium for something else too (but only because i use so many other mods, i never want to waste a dead raider lol :) (i re-use everything) from genes, simple cloning, maggot farming, chemfuel, spare organs in case your people get injured etc :)

if you still have it as a recipe for both, then maybe one way to simulate things, could simply be to have the Smelter recipe take a bit longer to smelt it, and to have the crematorium be a bit quicker to smelt it. that would be the best of both i think.

btw there was a murder mystery show on tv some years back, where the bad guy actually owned a funeral parlour, and he cremated the victim, but they caught them after they found a partly melted ring in the bottom of the machine which he forgot to check (i think with a partial engraving or something to id)

well sorry if i seemed aggressive it's just these days some people just don't understand unless you make it so obvious a 3 year old would get it that might be getting to me

Ash was a little more aggressive about my point than I was but yeah, the smelter definitely works better and thank you for making that available to both since others may have liked it the original way. I looked it up, tungsten has a melting point of over 6,000F and steel only requires 2,500. A crematorium only runs at 1,800 degrees or below. A space age smelter would probably be a better fit here logically, and I'm happy you made that choice.

Ok, thanks for your feedback, guys. I'm going to chalk this up to me misunderstanding how a crematorium works :P

I've just pushed a quick update to make the recipe available at an electric smelter, too. For now, you can use either, but I may remove the crematorium stuff a bit later, when I have time to see if anything else needs to be added. I probably won't add coal smelter support for this but maybe I'll make an extreme smelter to add to the extreme crematorium mod. It doesn't seem like anyone has made a super fast smelter yet?

that's a good point I guess, the smelter also destroys objects but you get stuff out of it, whereas you don't with a crematorium

i mean a crematorium is used to burn corpses and not smelt metal IRL for a reason

well, that was my reasoning. the crematorium says it 'vaporises' corpses which seems to indicate it works with high heat and quickly. if it's weird/inconvenient I could add it to smelters too?

well not without bellows that's for sure

you can definitely burn a corpse with a wood fire but you can't smelt metal with a wood fire

and how would the crematorium be able to then? as far as i know you need more heat to smelt metal than you need to burn corpses

I decided to use the crematorium because I figured that the smelter could not get hot enough to work tungsten.

Alright so this is a good mod. I used tungsten instead of plasteel for most things and reserved the plasteel for high end electronics and stuff that require it in their recipes. I liked having an alternative metal, though it didn't spawn as ore even as much as plasteel does on three or four map generations. The only thing I would recommend is that we use the smelter for smelting rather than the crematorium which doesn't make any sense to me.

Just at a glance, it looks like VME/Expanded Materials Metals has a different def name for their tungsten, so both mods should work together by default; there would just be two different tungstens.

Do you mean Expanded Materials Metals?

I wasn't aware that mod was a thing, I will check it out.
My mod doesn't add coal natively.

How does this mod interact with VFME - Metals? How does it react with that tungsten and coal?

it's all good take your time

the hit points was definitely the same, but I think there was a slight difference in weapons damage? I've just taken a quick look and will push a very quick patch which I haven't balance tested. That's all I have time for right now.

but i looked in-game at the stats of tungsten and uranium and they were exactly the same the walls had the same durability and the weapons had the same damage and armor piercing

no problem

Okay, I've reviewed and they aren't exactly the same, but I guess the increase is more marginal than I had wanted. Maybe the intended changes are in a local copy somewhere! How embarrassing. Thanks for letting me know and I'll have to edit it when I have time tonight.

nope it's not either as far as i could tell

Hmm, I will have to take a look! Maybe I forgot to change something with basic tungsten. Carbide is definitely better though.

i'm gonna be clear and i'm pretty sure it wasn't intended but tungsten is exactly the same as uranium in every way in terms of stats

Never read/watched it, but I hear it's good! I took some advice on stats from friends in chem/physics.

I'm getting Dr.stone's Vibe here!