Updated for 1.18! Re the Norse, when looking into it I actually spotted a bug in the script that allocates starting fornication doctrines - Norse were actually always supposed to startt at Shunned since Deceitful is a sin for them and Lustful is not, and now that is actually the case for them and other faiths in a similar situation.

Thanks Dallan, this is a nice change in what's needed to represent a pretty large part of human sexuality in religions, pretty stupid this isn't already in vanilla. Take your time and looking forward for the update

I'll be updating for 1.18 along with all my other mods. I haven't had time to verify how much work any of them will need to update, and with all the changes testing will be needed, but I'll see what I can do before the weekend.

Please note: with all the changes this mod makes to events in particular, I do not recommend trying to use it before I update, things could get weird.

@Alastor: I'm surprised I didn't do that for the Norse already, but I guess I didn't think myself enough of an expert on them to make that call. It'll be in for the next update.

Since you write you take suggestions, here goes:
Historically, Norse and early Germanic societies didn’t treat fornication as a crime in itself — only adultery, which violated marriage contracts or household honor.
Fornication (especially by men) was often a social matter, not a legal or religious one, and typically resolved through fines or family negotiation rather than arrest.
Many sagas feature heroes with lovers or illegitimate children without it being portrayed as scandalous or sinful.
So for Norse faiths, fornication should be “shunned” at most, while adultery remains “criminal.”
That would better reflect the historical asymmetry and make the doctrine differentiation meaningful.

Thank you so much for still keeping the mod up to date all these years.

The base game seems to already treat homosexuality that way actually - only men get the Sodomite trait and secret for same sex relations, women do not seem to?

I suppose I could do similarly to actually enable criminalizing lesbianism but I don't currently plan to.

There should also be options for male/female homosexuality. You know, keep it a crime for men (stimulate conflict in the world) but let women have their fun (lesbian wife is loyal wife, child is always yours - her reward is having her fun).

I would be surprised but I suppose it's possible? I haven't been able to update this for 1.16 yet and because it touches a lot of event files it is very vulnerable to patches, I would avoid using it until it's updated.

I'm touching all my bases since I'm trying to figure out what's causing some of the royal courts to be black voids for me - is it possible that the court events this mod touches could be causing that?

Those are Paradox's internal IDs for the various DLCs, they use them in various file and folder names and other stuff. I don't remember which is which though.

What is stuff like 'bp1', 'ep2', and 'fp2' supposed to mean?

The mod will defiinitely need an update for the patch, yes. I'll try to get to it in the next few days but I'm ALSO building a new computer this weekend (just in time for All Under Heaven, how fortunate) so I may be delayed.

the mod needs updating, love the mod though!

@落としたהת 8: Absolutely, thanks for asking!

Hey, I am a dev of Paganism Plus, can we please integrate this mod into our own?

Someone know where can I get older version of this mod? (1.12.5)

Posted an update this morning that looks at first glance to be compatible with 1.13, but I'm traveling until next week so won't have time to play or fix bugs until then. Enjoy and let me know if anything weird happens!

Same for EK2/ATE: I don't play them, don't know if they're compatible, and won't commit to writing patches for them, but someone else is entirely welcome to!

Also, this is absolutely not compatible with 1.13 yet, working on an update

Does this work with EK2?

Any chance of ATE compatibility?

I don't currently play AGOT but I'd happily let anyone else who wants to do a version for AGOT do one.

Any chance of an AGOT compatability?

It is not compatable with AGOT.

(also, for those watching this thread but not the launcher, this mod is up to date with 1.12. I doubt the hotfixes will affect it but I'lll check when I can or see if people report issues)

Thanks! Though they're a bit outdated, I should get to that.

Probably won't use this, but I just wanted to say that your compatibility notes are great and I wish I saw that in more mods.

not yet, working on it, shoud be out this week

Hi is this compatible with 1.12?

I haven't checked (since I don't play AGOT yet) and would be very pleasantly surprised (see below re: event overrides, plus add any checks that AGOT events do for those doctrines that would need to be accounted for). Plus didn't AGOT build their own custom system for faith doctrines?

Is this AGOT compatible?

I had a booster appointment this week that I had to cancel because I caught the virus a few days beforehand, welp. Milder than I expected at least but it still put me out of commission for a week.

Just uploaded the 1.11 version, thanks for your patience!

Ouch, my apologies, have had it repeatedly despite being vaxxed (though it's usually been mild for me) but one time it really kicked my ass and I almost ended up in the hospital. Here's hopin yours isn't too severe!

I think I've fixed the crashes and will upload when I can, but I caught COVID for the first time this week so it'll be a few more days at least.

Much appreciated =)

This mod is actually very vulnerable to updates because it has to override a lot of event files so yeah, unfortunately I'm not surprised. I'll update it when I can and let everyone know.

So I believe this mod is making the game crash with the new update

So after EXTENSIVE 3-day testing (I uh....have a lot of mods) I finally found out that it was this mod that was broken. Not going to lie...was kinda surprised. This wasn't even on my radar as a problem mod, had it for ages and it's never been an issue. Guessing the last update screwed with it. Whenever I start a new game using the earlier of the two bookmarks, the game crashes to desktop after about 12 years every single time (though not on the same day, so something is happening around that time period each game involving this mod). For my final tests I ran the game without mods and it did fine, ran it with just this mod and it crashed. So. Definitely this one. Love the mod though, so will look forward to if you update it!

well that took longer than planned, sorry

updated for 1.10

This mod will need an update for 1.10 - it should still WORK but will miss some of the event bugfixes and possibly some new events I need to account for (I ASSUME not many in a event pack themed around children and guardians, but never say never in CK).

Hoping to get it done by end-of-week.

@Awkland: sure, I'd appreciate credit if you're publishing yours though!

Hey, can I integrate your mod into mine?

and some tibetan faiths...

nestorianism also has that issue

For example, coptic has male adultery shunned but male fornication as criminal.

I have an issue where for some faiths, fornication is criminalised but adultery is only shunned.

Thank you so fucking much man, I've been looking for this for so long <3<3<3

Cool! can't wait to try it

Sorry, yes. I have updated it and believe it is playable at this point but, as always, I might have missed a new event or two so bug reports are welcome!

Your comment was from the 11th and the last update is from the 27th, do you believe its in a playable state?

This mod will need significant updates for 1.9/Tours and Tournaments' event changes, and having taken a first look I would not try to use them together until I update. I hope to be able to do that this weekend but RL is a mess and I can make no guarantees!