Mod appears to have been broken on the latest version, I'll update it when I have the time, been busy lately, sorry
@alexis
Извините, в последнее время я был занят. Oбновлю мод, как только появится время.

@stark.eddard
Yeah, just like "Byzantine Empire", but historians still use the term and that's what matters. This has been debated to death in the comments numerous times already. If you want a mod that uses just "Rus" then check out the alternative mod I made here https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3302259738

The name Kievan Rus never existed at the time, it's a historical construct, concept circa late XIX century.

It should simply be Rus'

И еще в российской локализации написано , что культура Русичская , хотя , по идее , она должна быть Русинской.

хороший мод , но флаг у Киевской Руси сбросился. Там теперь герб Российской Империи

Wikipedia may not be perfect, but it is regardless a high quality meta-source, given the fact that you can freely check its citations/sources, and it most certainly is independent, if nothing else, given that Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit operating from donations. Neither "Grokipedia" nor anything LLM-related is worth taking seriously given the fact that LLMs are fundamentally probabilistic, prone to hallucinations and error, and are entirely dependent on the quality of their training data which itself is sourced from humans that may or may not be biased. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with the same content as Wikipedia anyway. But that's getting off-topic for this comments section.

Apparently, as many historians as there are opinions. I also know many people who think differently. And I try not to take information from the current Wikipedia at all, as it changes with remarkable regularity, especially in the last couple of years. Let's wait for Grokipedia from Elon Musk. Wikipedia is not an independent and objective source of information.

I trust Paul R. Magocsi, Janet Martin, Barnet R. Rubin, Jack L. Snyder, Ivan Katchanovski, Zenon E. Kohut, the Editors of Encyclopedia Britannica, Joshua J. Mark, and more, to decide what to call it, regardless of what the eminent city or capital was at the time. And again, the in-game title covers the territory during Vladimir the Great's reign, during which that city was Kiev, not Ladoga or Novgorod or any else, so that point of yours is also moot.

Nobody called the Byzantine Empire that either. Nobody called Estonia that either. All of these and more are names that historians use to describe the lands that these terms refer to. Russian historians coined the term "Kievan Rus" but it is used today by all historians to refer to the first East Slavic state, ruled by the Rurikid dynasty, not a "period of time". The title in the game very specifically encompasses the territory at its height under Vladimir the Great. This territory is called the Kievan Rus by historians. Between game developers and actual historians, I know who I believe is right.

Nobody called that territory "Kievan Rus", it's a name that Russian historians use to describe the period, not the state.It would have been more correct to simply call it "Rus'"After all, everyone knows that Kiev was not the only capital of Rus; there were also Ladoga, Novgorod, Vladimir, and even Moscow. I just stumbled upon this mod by accident and remembered a topic on the official game forum where the developers were asked to change the name. They explained why the name is what it is and why they don't plan to change it. I believe they are right.

@WhiteXTC
"Eesti" only came into existence as an endonym for the nation/people of Estonia in the mid-19th century, and "Estonia" as a word only came into formal English language use in the early 20th century, but it's still in the game as the "Kingdom of Estonia". I fail to see your point.
A title in CK3 must reflect the truest modern historiographical term that describes the medieval territory the title encompasses; hence "Estonia", "Kievan Rus", "Byzantine Empire" and other terms that didn't actually exist at the time.

What is the historical significance of this? The term "Kievan Rus" only appeared in the 19th century.

@Odin
searching kyivan rus still gives you kievan rus as the top hit and there are more kievan rus mentions than kyivan https://iili.io/FyJzVPS.png my point is that both are correct but kievan rus is simply more common and well established in historiography. At the same time, "Kyiv" is better established today as the English exonym of the city's name so I (and Paradox) use "Kyiv" for the barony, county, duchy, and kingdom titles. For the sake of simplicity, I will stick with the English Wikipedia's naming convention, so if they change their page to "Kyivan Rus", I'll update this mod accordingly.

@Zugidor if you intentially text in search bar Kievan Rus obviously you'll get that lol. Check on Wikipedia there are two options. "
Kievan Rus',[a] also known as Kyivan Rus',[6][7] was the first East Slavic state and later an amalgam of principalities[8] in Eastern Europe from the late 9th to the mid-13th century.[9][10]"
I'm not saying Kievan isn't correct in English, but Kyivan is historically correct transliteration and if there's two option, I recommend using Kyivan for historical accuracy. Because Kievan Rus's capitol was Kyiv that's why it has to be Kyivan. Otherwise the name loses logic and meaning

@Odin
https://iili.io/Fb34kiP.png
https://iili.io/Fb34eWB.png
This is why this mod uses "Kyiv" and "Kievan Rus"

Kiev should be Kyiv because in the honour of Kyi knyaz of Polians tribe the city was founded! The city name literally doezn't match founder's name. That's why also Kyivan Rus is only correct option

Спорно переводить рыцарей как богатырей, так как это былинный термин. Логичнее взять действительно возникающий в летописях и равнозначный понятию "рыцарь" термин "муж" (от слова мужчина) или "княж муж" (мужчина князя, человек князя)

problems with russian localisation

syms2015
I don't know, I haven't tested it, there could be incompatibilities since both mods are trying to do similar things

Is this mod compatible with the "Baptism of Rus" mod?

thanks! love ya

@kudashkins
Thanks for the suggestion, just updated the mod to be compatible with Culture Expanded, now all east slavic cultures (severian, ilmenian, volhynian, etc) have knyaz titles and such, same as rus'.

BTW

Need comptach for Culture Expanded. Cause they hav cultures as Vladimirian and Polost, diverget from Rus', so their titles are not Knyaz or smth like that, they have titles like duke and kings.

В крусаках в принципе если и можно рассчитывать на полную историчность - это надо нереально упороться, а этот мод неплохая отдушина и чувачок хоть что-то сделал, мне лично хватило и работы с титулуами, хотя например очевидно, что тот же Иван Грозный вполне именовался в переписках как "Рекс", т.е. королем называть внутри игры вполне можно, но мне охота "князь", хотя если задуматься, это всё одно дрочево, как и "император" и "кайзер".

@Hikki Sadrot это понятно всем, начнем с того, что не было никаких таких империй на территории Руси - если хочется полной историчности, надо просто снести имперские титулы, причем не только в этом регионе.

А за духоту такую тебя надо отправить на СВО копать ногтями окоп, блевать уже тянет, это как мусульмане приходят под мод про арабов и начинают ныть, что в игре пророк Мухамед есть, видите ли очень оскрблены они.

Название "Киевская Русь" неправильно настолько же, насколько неправильно название "Россия". Киевская Русь - историографический термин, отражающий период Российской, Белорусской и Украинской истории, когда столицей Руси был Киев. Такие же термины имеются для Новгородской и Владимирской Руси. Само же государство(судя по мирному договору с Византией) называлось "Русь". А так, во всем остальном мод прекрасен, ибо единая культура в 867 году и католическое слово "король" и христианское слово "царь" неправильны.

updated

upd pls

@Damianuus
Someone will have to make a compatch mod to resolve the mod conflict.

together with historical empires mod, west slavia empire appears as a bug in pommerania.

No Mikey, it shouldn't.

Should be Kyivan not Kievan.

idk, I never used RICE (or play ck3 anymore) I just maintain the mods I've already published. Maybe someone else will make a compatch.

Will there be a compatch for the new version of RICE?

Any chance that you can also cover the Polish lands as well?

Thank you from Ukraine

FYI - when using Historic Invasions and the 867 bookmark while using this mod, the "Rurik" invasion event will not function as intended. It's not game breaking, just something to be aware of. The change in Titles results in Rurik not having the proper claim.

I see, thanks for the clarification! Liked!

This is an older mod I made soon after CK3 launched and over 3 years before Baptism of Rus was made. I no longer play CK3 but maintain this mod as many subscribers like and use it. Baptism has more content and makes more use of the newer game features, but otherwise has pretty much the same mission as this mod, to fix the awful vanilla Rus in the game. You can think of Baptism as like a bigger and newer version of this mod or as a successor mod of sorts. People who think Baptism does too much might prefer the smaller/simpler scope of this or my other lite Rus mods.

Hello, what is the difference between this and the "Baptism of Rus" mod?

@Gidaka I saw that this topic was raised on the paradox forum a few years ago, but it was actively attacked by Russians with negative feedback. Unfortunately, the voice of reason was ignored by the developers due to the "political nature of the topic".

For your information, Kievan Rus' comes from the center which has the russian version Kiev, and Kyivan Rus' comes from the historically correct name Kyiv

You wrote everything correctly regarding Prince/Principality and Knyaz/Knyazhestvo, but in your mod you already use the titles that were in Rus' with their local names, so it is better that all the titles are replaced and not some selectively

By the way, this is the best mod for Kyivan Rus' that corrects historical errors, I don't understand why the game developers can't do this

@Gidaka
This is a primarily English-language mod, so I use Prince instead of Knyaz because Prince/Principality is the English translation of Knyaz/Knyazhestvo.
I use Kievan because that's what Wikipedia, Britannica, and other encyclopedias use. If you would prefer Kyivan, then please check out my other mod, Kyivan Rus Rename: https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3302258522

In Update 1.5.1: finally fixed the error and changed the English name Kiev to Kyiv
https://psteamproxy.yuanyoumao.com/news/app/1158310/view/3095667402103590561

So why do you incorrectly use Kievan Rus' instead of Kyivan Rus' in this mod?

Also why didn't you replace the titles Prince instead of Knyaz? (Knyaz => Grand Knyaz)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_the_Rurikids

This mod seems to be incompatible with CE and RICE, sadly. It causes every historical character to have strange names like ruler_administrative_byzantine_empire_title_5

@Hieron
I made an alternative mod for that, which just uses Rus' for the title: https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3302259738

All good stuff, the only issue I have is with 'Kievan'. Historicallyit is fitting, but we are playing all sorts of alternative scenarios in this game, and Kiev being the centre of the Rus is not necessarily true for those.

English, French, Spanish, German, Russian languages supported

Updated: localizations should be fixed for all languages now

Does this mod have a Spanish translation?