Thanks for the quick fix! I confirm that the refunded amount is 10 reform and 25 admin points.

@Szabtom: Indeed, you're right, there was a bug and I hope it's fixed now. If not please report again and I'll scratch my head a bit more. Thank you!

Bug report: After playing so many hours with this mod, I am embarrassed to admit that I just now noticed that the 'Centralized Bureaucracy" gov reform refunds way too high amounts of reform and ADM.
The cost is 20 Reform and 50 Admin points, and the refunded amounts are 35 Reform and 50 ADM which obviously is not as intended.
I play with Xorme AI so there could be a conflict, theoretically. But I lack the skills to investigate and I also am not aware that Xorme would touch this part of the game.

Money does not seem to be an issue, the provinces that I take after 1550 are all maxed out with buildings.
Be prepared mentally and emotionally for the suffering, and keep an open mind to try new ideas and solutions. :) For instance, always try to get your spy network to 100% for a nice siege bonus. (The AI will do it, even if you don't. :) ) An unused diplomat is a waste that will be regretted.

@Hector of Troy
I play exclusively with Xorme AI and Responsible blobbing and responsible warfare. I do not play without these mods any more.
The AI is improved and AI nations are significantly boosted in Xorme. So much so, that I always edit the static modifiers and tone it down a couple of notches, specifically the insane AE reduction and manpower recovery (both under the difficulty modifiers and the lucky nation modifiers).
I have found Quality (instead of Defensive) to be the bare minimum necessity to survive, and the combo with Innovative just brings you in the game against Poland, Brandenburg and nations with significant military bonuses, who are like terminators. Muscovy and Ottomans, the quintessential "quantity" nations fall 50% of the time by 1550. Mamluk often takes Quality+Innovative as their opener, while Otto takes Admin or Quantity...

Is Xorme AI mod recommended?

Would it help the AI making better decisions in general and better decisions to avoid crumbling?

Nah, this mod is perfectly fine for VN. So is responsible warfare.

Would a mod like Voltaire's Nightmare - which adds a large amount of provinces at high density - make empires (scripted or otherwise) impossible?

I read (and I may have interpreted it poorly) that government capacity and the size of a country are seperate. Does this then mean that a generic "large country" could collapse without the government capacity provided by national ideas, mission trees etcetera?

Great mod, I don't use it often but it definitely makes a difference when it's on, keeps the world more dynamic and less blob-full. AI is still really dumb which is why other mods like the Autonomy Mod or Challenger's Bonanza pair really well with this one. Thank you for your work!

Could you add a condition into 00_diplomatic_actions.txt to make AI countries not annex their subjects if they have high (like >80%) govcap usage?

Because that's how the mod works. First you start with large buffs which melt away as you get core territory, and slowly you start getting penalties until you hit govcap. After govcap these mediocre maluses start getting rather significant.

Yes, actually. Im just stupid and cant understand it

Have you read the mod description?

Why does being under gov cap give you maluses?

Just a suggestion but I think the great power modifier is too strong. 25% forcelimit should be decreased in my opinion. To prevent AI like Ming, Ottomans, and Muscovy from collapsing early game maybe they could get manpower buffs for the first like 75 years.

It's a core part of the mod, listed up in the description in the "Features" (rather, penalties):

* Governing capacity is reduced, and as time goes by, the reduction increases. Fight it with buildings and tech. (-10% malus for all govcap per age, up to -40% in Age of Revolutions)

What is the “low centralisation” modifier that every country seems to have at the start of the game? How do i get rid of it? (It adds a -10% governing capacity modifier)

would this work with xorme AI?

After running countless tests, I've pushed a balance patch which changes quite a bit. You can find the details in the change notes (link is on top to the right - 32 Change Notes (view) ).

The gist of it is to make it easier for the AI to survive if they are supposed to survive for a while (Ming, Ottomans, Russia), make centralization and expansion of admin cheaper so AI uses it more often, shift the "balance" slider neutral position for govcap usage from 50% to 75%, and tweak some minor stuff.

This means a country is "supposed" to be running at 75% govcap usage to be neutral WRT govcap bonuses and maluses.

We'll see how it goes.

Ah okay that makes sense. I had been using observer to test how the mod worked with some ai behavior mods but I never thought to check the triggered modifiers. Thanks for the clarification!

@Riot1738: This really isn't the case. The 100% govcap malus is replaced with a triggered modifier with the same penalties, and the regular overgovcap malus is stacked ontop of it.

Whenever nations go over their gov cap. The previous debuffs from 50-100% gov capacity go away instead of being added onto. This removes some of the more impactful modifiers like all power cost or trade efficiency basically buffing nations that stay just right above their gov cap compared to nations right below their gov cap. Im not sure if this is intended.

this + more provinces compilation could use a compatch. both are wonderful mods. Many blessings to you and your lineage

This mod does little to no scripting and absolutely never causes a CTD on its own. Fortunately. It may be an interaction with some other mod or just a coindicence.

Your crashlog speaks about some independence/annexing/conquering, which really isn't the scope of this mod.

I didn't have CTD issues for many hours without this mod, but I turned it on and it started happening after 4 game years, though maybe that's a coincidence or some other specific issue, I don't know
https://pastebin.com/QmM9fT5Q

Empires rise, empires fall.

Just playing a campaign with this mod to test it out as the Ottomans (also using Xorme AI mod), some fun stuff happened as Scotland and Ireland kicked out England to its small colony in Colombia, which they now formed. Morocco conquered quite a bunch of the Iberian peninsula.
At first i thought AI wouldn't be able to handle the corruption but there are quite a few states that went to +8 corruption and seem to hold on just well enough (except for Sweden who got to +16 and just died to Riga, which was cool)

I'm not sure why but the Ming has just evaporated any resistance in their region, they annexed everything around them and didn't seem to suffer from corruption as "high harmony" gave them a -0.35~ corruption, may be and edge case but i found it interesting

I still want to reach to the revolutions era to check out that warning about them being deadly, hope they are haha, really fun mod!

@Zemurin you're right. My bad, homie.

@Kotoid; If you read the mod description, you'd realize you are wrong on both accounts. First paragraph, the very first one, would be sufficient.

But it's ok.

This mod is busted lmao. There is a permanent debuff for being UNDER governing capacity and being OVER governing capacity is giving less of a debuff then being UNDER it.

AI can't keep Ottomans, Russia or Mughals together with this mod

This is with responsible warfare as well, mind you.

Crazy how Italy remains somewhat divided in normal eu4 and somehow with the "anti-blobbing" mod it becomes partitioned by the Papal States, Tuscany, and Venice by 1550. Great mod

P.s. other tag get proper maluses

I'm experiencing France without the brimming state modifier with 200+ points over govcap *scratches head*

@skurwysyn Xorme AI develops the CRAP out of provinces to where it becomes impossible to manage. More of a problem with Xorme than this mod

Terrible mod... How come my 31 province italy is at 820 gov cap with this mod and barely 450 without it? I can't even unite northern Italy with that mod due to admin efficency penalty at -10%... 3 province milan with 90 dev overall is 130% to take. I play with xorme at highest difficulty, but that mod is too much.

Just you. This mod doesn't do ideas.

is it just me that has issues with the AI not getting any colonizing ideas, leading to colonization spawning from countries like Iceland or the Netherlands?

I like Otto the way it is. When I play, I see them implode about 50% of the time. The other 50% they are just fine and gobble up the Mamluks, Persia, Crimea. This suits me as it adds variety to the European scene.

One balance change I would suggest is drastically buffing the "Ottoman Government" reform. The Ottos explode in like 1550 with this mod enabled as their decadence skyrockets with corruption and govcap, and the AI struggles to manage it. Gets really bad with Responsible Warfare as they can't be at war to reduce it as easily.

I enjoyed the mod overall, but found the technology boost and nerf a bit too much, single province nations were a constant 30 years ahead of the rest and large nations were struggling to even keep up with tech 30 years out of date. A change to 5% max both ways fixed that, that is the only edit that was needed for my experience, the rest is good. Kept brimming state as it is though.

this mod makes endgames really realistic but god is it a pain trying to form japan quick with it

@bliss: I see what you mean. Thanx, fixed the bug!

the reform progress penalty doesn't hit -40% even with brimming state + the initial over gov cap penalty though, it is the only stat that becomes more forgiving once you breach the brimming state threshold -- looking through the files reform progress is the only number where the brimming state penalty is set as lower compared to the maximum under gov cap penalty. maybe i'm missing something

@bliss: You are getting both penalties when over govcap.

the reform progress modifier for brimming state is currently less punishing than being under gov cap (-25% vs -40%)

@bascaryperaltaj: That has nothing to do with this mod. In fact, I have specific lines which limit max development AI does to 2x original dev. AI ignores them utterly. It's an unfixable engine issue.

Hello! would you mind doing something to stop late game OPMs in the Holy Roman Empire from all having 50 development? it makes for some crazy wars in the late game, with small nations fielding relatively large armies, and making bigger countries look weak in comparison.

Nevermind, I am an idiot, the mod works great. The problem is I was looking for a triggered modifier rather than doing a mouse over the goverment capacity. Cheers bud, love the mod <3