工人与资源:苏维埃共和国 Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic

工人与资源:苏维埃共和国 Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic

Small Churches
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Schizo 8 小时以前 
@Gregors

Nothing you wrote is historically accurate. Marx wasn’t “Satanic,” he was a materialist. That myth comes from a 1950s American evangelical pamphlet, not scholarship. His actual writing on religion describes it as the “sigh of the oppressed creature,” not as something to attack. Marxism opposes political clerical power, not individual faith.

Communist states didn’t persecute religion because of Marx, but because churches in the early USSR were political institutions tied to monarchists, landowners, and foreign intelligence... not because people prayed on Sunday.

China, Vietnam, and Cuba all have thriving religious communities today, which already disproves your claim that “communist nations murder religious people.”

And the gossip about Marx and his maid is an unproven Victorian-era rumor used by anti-communists for over a century.

Chuds usually rely on mythology, however.
Schizo 8 小时以前 
Religion isn't incompatible with Marxism, he simply said people use it as a coping mechanism when their life sucks.
BeanBoy 5 月 6 日 下午 10:40 
if you meet their need it shouldn't go down i think. i have over 90% religious sympathy and 51% loyalty in my main city.
nicksworld 2 月 14 日 上午 4:58 
do they affect government loyalty?? like will it go down if my citizens go to church?
Radonium 2 月 13 日 上午 7:43 
fun fact: all buildings from the workshop are in the ''mod'' category on left on your screen
Dat cat 2 月 11 日 下午 5:28 
Glory to God in the Highest! Blessed be the Meek for they Shall Inherit the Earth!
sevenwords 1 月 25 日 上午 5:17 
So I subbed, but I don't see any options for churches anywhere in the game. What am I doing wrong?
[OLG] HexoSlaya369 2024 年 12 月 28 日 上午 3:28 
my marxist state has Christ as King
jimbo 2024 年 9 月 4 日 下午 5:49 
I'm using churches and being a Marxist, we do a bit of multiclassing
Kherianda 2024 年 7 月 31 日 上午 11:14 
I'm using churches and laughing at the Marxists. ^_^
Foxling 2024 年 7 月 25 日 上午 4:31 
Dude just wanted to make a cute mod and all the Mao commies debate in the comments KEKW
Gregers 2024 年 7 月 10 日 下午 6:17 
P.s Karl Marx is also the man that was given his Wife's family maid and yet never paid the maid a dime and possible even had an affair with the said maid, getting her pregnant. Remember, this is the guy that is supposed to be fighting for the working class, yet he was as greedy as a Dwarf in a gold mine.
Gregers 2024 年 7 月 10 日 下午 6:13 
Marxism is fundamentally a anti-religious ideology. Karl Marx despised Christianity and was openly Satanic, read his poems and how his family described his actions and motivations. Saying Marxists are not happy with how the Soviets treated Orthodox Christians or how Communists in general, treat religion, is hilarious.

Marx wanted the over throw of the "existing social and political" structures, structures that were built upon religion, in this case, Western Christianity. Marx got what he wanted, because every Communist nation to ever exist, in large or small, murdered, censored or imprisoned religious people within their borders.
Gregers 2024 年 7 月 10 日 下午 6:13 
Below is the ending of Chapter four of the 'Communist Manifesto':
"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.

Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries.

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."

God bless you all.
Bnlol 2024 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:13 
Thank you,
I can understand why the devs did not want players building churches, but then why include religion as a mechanic? Yes, I understand the primary option is to demolish churches and suppress religious needs by removing the idea from the new generations, but I much prefer the idea of building churches that are loyal to the socialist state and aid in the spreading of progaganda. Soft supression instead of hard supression.
simon pupper 2024 年 6 月 26 日 上午 7:37 
Most marxists biggest criticism of the ussr was its anti religion stance, since it has nothing to do with marxism which is an economic theory and has nothing to do with cultural or religious topics.
Johnman 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 3:10 
@El lobo the fact that the rise in atheism is related to the rise in depression is actually scientifically demonstrated (the irony) by studies that show that people with religious or spiritual beliefs tend to score higher in happiness, and more importantly, they tend to live longer! Even if someone doesn't really believe in anything, partaking in acts of altruism is also demonstrated to make you happier and live longer. These studies are not hard to find.
Hubcio14 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 8:46 
qwertyuiop
El lobo 2024 年 4 月 16 日 下午 11:11 
@AlfakleNaN You miss some of the most important historical factors for the creation and developement of religions: Guidance and Inspiration. No matter at what religion you look, they are filled with the rules nessesary for a society to function, like don't kill, don't steal, don't sleep with someones wife. Religions not only served as a way to explain the unexplainable, but also as a way yo promote order and coexistence, in a world where it was possible to commit crimes without consequence, as the technological advancements that keep our society safe didn't exist yet. Another important aspect is inspiration. It gives people hope and something to look forward to. I am not religiouse myself, but it is quite clear that the surge in atheism is one of the reasons for the strong rise in depression.
AlfakleNaN 2024 年 4 月 16 日 下午 3:37 
To an atheist, the emminationist prime mover argument is correct in that it shows that all matter is fundamentally unified (in a Parminidean way rather than Heraclitian absolute becoming/no causality between events or objects), but it's wrong in that it holds over from animism the mistaken attribution of soul to spirit (motion) in nature, there is no mind behind nature, minds only exist within brains. People can believe whatever they choose to, but when you understand the history of the development of these ideas, you understand how fundamentally flawed religious ideas are, while they may capture truths in a false shell, we can separate the true from the illusory. (3)
AlfakleNaN 2024 年 4 月 16 日 下午 3:37 
Just like Darwin structurally de-centered the traditional understanding of biology from eternal creation (from above) to historically contingent material forces (from below), Marx de-centers Hegel's logocentrism, placing the true source of meaning in this world, not in a metaphysical other world, just like how Aristotle 'took Plato out of the sky and planted him on the ground' by focusing on the potential for change between states of being in this world rather than the real world being descended from the ethereal world of forms. (2)
AlfakleNaN 2024 年 4 月 16 日 下午 3:37 
Communism views religion and all metaphysics as illusory, that ideas are the product of material forces, so religions are the vehicle for ideas that are a product of and support the socioeconomic structure, ancient religious epics are basically the encyclopedia of the ancient world, all of their theories of nature are bound up with myth. Socialist states allow religion, but promote atheism. In the spirit of the enlightenment, communism seeks to bring irrational unconscious socioeconomic forces under conscious control, to understand the laws of development of a thing, say society, history, etc. is to be more free than to be unconsciously subject to their action, Kantian universal heteronomy etc. (1)
El lobo 2024 年 2 月 16 日 下午 1:29 
@MarkPlierBR no, it is anti religion, it often doesn't outright ban it, but it want's to control it. I live 1 hour from the former iron curtain, and people who actually lived under it will conform you that much. Looking at communist nations or even at american socialists will do so as well.
MarkPlierBR 2024 年 2 月 16 日 下午 12:05 
Communism being anti religion is a red scare myth.
ModZero 2023 年 11 月 8 日 下午 4:18 
Also thanks for the churches. Lol, ridiculed for being religious, literally the opposite of my experience in a communist state. Everyone paid lip service to laicism and immediately ran to kiss the bishop's ring.
ModZero 2023 年 11 月 8 日 下午 4:16 
Communism was never a monolith, nor did it stay constant and unchanging. Modern communists rarely wish for a return to Stalin. In the essence, the story that your ex-wife's cousin's 3rd removed dog's previous owner's cat made up is quite irrelevant.
Gregers 2023 年 11 月 4 日 上午 9:28 
Shut up Rex
Rex 2.0 2023 年 8 月 21 日 上午 9:42 
@abel1717 sure ok federal agent
abel1717 2023 年 5 月 3 日 上午 10:54 
I am a 51 years old Cuban and I am catholic. Yes, communists waged war on religion. If you had a faith you would be excluded from relevant jobs (the gov was the one hiring), or any important role in society. Schools indoctrinated us since childhood that religion was false and "the opium of the people." For example a cousin of my wife would be placed in a corner of the classroom and ridiculed for believing that God exists. The church was no longer allowed to have schools. The list goes on.
Many young fellows have a romanticized view of Marxism, because they fail to understand that it becomes a tool for a few people to control all media outlets, the education of your children, your jobs, etc. This is why where Marxism is applied people flee (like a friend of mine who was shot with ak47 when the coastguards find him escaping in a boat. The list goes on forever, but I needed to say this, for the memory of all that have died and suffer the injustice of such an evil ideology.
bialov 2023 年 2 月 10 日 上午 11:50 
And right from the begininng people could send their children to religious school even, even this was not forbidden no matter what brainwashing there may happen. And different religions there were. And socialist and communist factions and real revolutionary movements in Muslim countries too. It is a dogmatic logics to think that if they are atheist they forbid all. Actually as we can see so many Christian countries spread xenophobia, hatred towards Muslim ones, hatred towards evil-devil atheists )) Lenin himself said that there is no problem with a believer evein in the party as long as he follows the party and does not do anything against it which is logical. And socialism includes Marxism btw. That is it
bialov 2023 年 2 月 10 日 上午 11:50 
Thank you! But the description is stereotypical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol
Religion was not suppressed much esp. during Stalin, just check the constitution. If it was what are the laws suppressing it? Anti-Soviet propaganda and actions were indeed suppressed, and there were different points: propaganda using religios prejudicies, propaganda using national prejudicies and others. So were the nations suppressed too then? No )) And somehow churches survived, moreover, priests and others were printed in papers, religious characters were shown in films widely and not in a negative way.
A Wolfgang 2022 年 11 月 14 日 上午 7:51 
So, Marx said that Religions like Christianity are a Reactionary Structure supposed to surpress the Proletariat from rising up by use of Propaganda and misleading Paradise...

So anyways, who's up for our Christian Socialism?
Soviet 2022 年 11 月 1 日 下午 3:06 
How i can add it to game?
мишка 2022 年 5 月 22 日 上午 5:29 
actually, it was strongly surpressed, my entire family which used to live in soviet russia has experienced everything unlike you that is most likely living comfortabely in your 4 bedroom american suburban dream home.
Patriote 2022 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:09 
"religion was suppressed by the Soviet Union", actually less suppressed than commonly known.
Bruce Wayne 2022 年 2 月 19 日 上午 2:55 
marxism is evil
SupremeLeaderG 2021 年 9 月 15 日 下午 10:51 
very useful in keeping the workers satisfied, especially in games where churches are not already present.
JohnVicres 2021 年 7 月 20 日 下午 11:07 
Not to spoil the majestic marxism-theology debate, but it seems the churches don't work in my game; at least not like churches should, as in "sates spirituality needs".
-=PR=- alliecat☭Ⓐ 2021 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:56 
The Soviet suppression of religion, incidentally, had less to do with Marxist doctrine than the specific role of the Orthodox Church - institutionally - in Tsarist Russia giving it a bad reputation
-=PR=- alliecat☭Ⓐ 2021 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:51 
It's not even necessarily incompatible with Marxism, so long as it doesn't prevent you from applying a materialist analysis to history and society. Marx didn't mean "opiate" in a judgemental, moralising way - those attitudes weren't nearly as widespread in the 19th century as they are now, largely due to white supremacist propaganda campaigns in the 20th century US that made crack a euphemism for black people (despite the CIA being directly responsible for its spread in black communities) and pot a euphemism for brown Hispanic people. Marx was calling religion a sociopsychological painkiller. The full quote is "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"

Have you got any synagogues, mosques and Buddhist temples?
Starfoth The Burgundy Silk Rug 2021 年 5 月 23 日 上午 11:34 
@Taries People perform other chores such as shopping and going to the doctor first. You need to put it near other commerce like next to the cinema/park, sports, hospital etc
Taries 2021 年 5 月 23 日 上午 1:21 
Healthy comrades, why doesn't anyone want to go to these churches, even though I have them built right next to the housing estate
Fiend  [作者] 2021 年 4 月 1 日 上午 7:29 
Marxism yes, but as long as a religious organisation is owned and run cooperatively, or by the state, then I don't see why it would be incompatible with socialism generally. Certain specific religions, such as Catholicism, for example, are incompatible, but I cannot see any incompatibilities with groups like, for example, the Quakers.
YuriFR 2021 年 4 月 1 日 上午 5:13 
Kelix Katz, religion was indeed incompatible with Marxism and even with socialism/communism (in theory and practice). At first, the Soviet Union destroyed many religious temples, but after a while it realized that the religious impulse/demand was part of the soul of the Russian people, so it took another approach: it submitted religion to the state and penetrated the structure of the Orthodox Church. In this way, religion came to have a use for the elite of leaders: social control. Agencies like NQVD, KGB etc. took this structure, which started to work for the purposes of the State. I am a student of the subject.
01A3-91C-2789B11F "Vala" 2021 年 3 月 21 日 上午 2:52 
i see no incompadibilities with religion and marxism
FilthDemon 2020 年 12 月 5 日 上午 11:20 
Chad Islamic Socialism
channelwood 2020 年 11 月 30 日 上午 1:03 
Perfect for a blend of socialism called "national socialism" :)
Megusta 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 1:43 
No one seems to be visiting churches. Started a new game on a random map, no population, dont build anything. I have footpath connections, power and all. Zero visitors, citizens say they can't visit churches.
Tunch Khan 2020 年 9 月 21 日 下午 5:23 
Greetings comrade, I am Comissar Tunch here for the "re-education". :lunar2019madpig:
cheddar 2020 年 9 月 13 日 上午 5:04 
Comrade, there can be no power higher than that of the State! We have placed a note in your personnel file, and a political officer will visit you shortly to evaluate whether or not you need "re-education." :}