@Deon unless Mysterial Changed it, it only applies to ships build by you. Boarded and abandoned ships can still be sold.

That says "built", not boarded. I hope it's only about "built"...

everything looks cool except the " Player-built ships can't be directly sold to shipyards (since AI doesn't really use them - set a good price so NPC will order from your shipyard instead) " It kill the pirate/boarding ship selling life...

Ya it works for me on 7.5

Will it work with 7.50?

I also am interested in this mod but would prefer to directly sell ships to ai stations

Compatible with 7.10 ?

this mod should work, beside the listed effects it also increases Advanced Electronics production by 20%

I hope this mod will be updated to 7.0; the vanilla economy is a complete utopia and unrealistic. thanks to the author and mod for the work done that Egosoft is not able to do

Thank you for updating the other Faction War / Economy Enhancer mods - is this one yet to be updated or does it work fine with 7.0?

Yeah the "Can't sell ships to shipyards" seems to be pretty silly

Really want to try this, but the "Can't sell ships to shipyards" bit really puts me off. Is there a way to disable that bit in particular while keeping everything else?

@Mitroll Who made that decision in Vanilla? Why would anyone buy, say, a battleship for 300% of cost when they could just make ~3 of their own? Yes, they may not have the production to do so simultaneously (hence it would take more time) but generally it makes more sense to do it over time

I don't understand some of these design decisions made in Vanilla

@ApathicAlpaca That's wrong. The AI pays 100% of the resource cost plus the percentage that you set in your wharf (up to 50%). The price that you get for directly selling a ship to a station is somewhere between 300% and 500% of the resource cost.

Honestly, I would love it if the "Player-built ships can't be directly sold to shipyards" was changed to only disallow selling ships to different factions from which the ships come from.

That is to say, I should be able to sell an Osaka to the terran protectorate, or to segaris, but not to the paranid for example.

Where is this build.shiptrader.xml located at? I can´t find it. Help pls.

@ApathicAlpaca i have a mod which can help you with ships sell price if you still need it

Question: Since your ships can only be sold to AI at your stations: I was informed by others that AI only pays ~20-30% of the actual worth of the resources you need to construct the ship in the first place.
Was this adjusted in the mod so it makes SENSE to sell ships?

"Player-built ships can't be directly sold to shipyards (since AI doesn't really use them"

The fact that the AI Doesn't really use them just makes me question this decision more.

Why remove an opportunity to make some quick cash when its really needed if it has no real impact? Follow up question - Is this mod safe to remove from a save game?

Is this mod (and the other Faction Enhancer mods) safe to add/remove from an existing save?

Reduced Ships to 50% and Arg and ANT still only buying a couple per 10min period

Does anyone know how well the Faction Enhancer set of mods is compatible with DeadAir's mods regarding his economy balancing and the like?

I reduced the ship building price by 50%, but the NPCs ignored my shipyard. I'm so sad(....)

______
Player-built ships can't be directly sold to shipyards (since AI doesn't really use them - set a good price so NPC will order from your shipyard instead)
______

Umm, so then, what do I do with the ships that I no longer want? Just blow them up? I really don't care if the NPC shipyards/warfs never actually use the ships I sell them. I do though care about the credits I would otherwise get from them if I decide I need to sell them a ship. (Not talking about selling them ships from my own shipyards/warfs, just already existing ships.)

Otherwise, thanks for the mod. Great job. Thanks for your time and hard work.

The builder hire cost is pretty meh, mostly because it means the best way to handle things is to have a module that can never be finished by the builder and than just keep him around untill you are satisfied with your station.
I just sold a ship for less than the value it´s materials, i know you have already tweaked that modifier but i´d say it´s not enough. I could download a mod that changed this again and potentially run into some mod conflict problems. It would be greatly appreciated if you could add a way for people to just set the modifier on their own.

so this mod completely disable selling ships to factions? Because in the features it says it only prevents them for buying if the ships are too expensive.

Thanks Mysterial, would a new game start be required for any new changes?

I'm not sure if there will be a new release prior to the next expansion but it is on my list to look at.

Mysterial, I'm running into the issue with Terran not producing Computronic Substrate in large enough quantities and/or fast enough. I cannot get any Terran stations or L/XL ships built. Could that be addressed in a future release? Thanks for all your work.

I did. The sell multiplier is higher than it is in vanilla.

Maybe you could rebalance the sale price of ships to NPC's? Since the nerrf, they're being sold at a lower cost than if you made them yourself and sold them to the shipyard, which is why people want that option. The previous level of sales was crazy, admittedly, but Egosoft boomeranged it to the other end and made it a joke. Perhaps you could slide the scale to somewhere in the middle with this mod. Thanks!

Wow ok thanks

Selling ships directly to shipyards doesn't help with the war effort. They get recycled immediately. I wouldn't have disabled it if the NPCs actually tried to make use of the ships sold that way.

Please re-enable selling ships. I want to sell ships to help with the war effort. Not wait until they build at my shipyard which they barely do.

without build.shiptrader.xml this mod should be better/usable :)

good for me that i know basic modding^^

@LJ You might want to look into the Ships & Stations Recycling Mod if you need a way to get rid of extra ships

If you are asking for the technical details, the ship is made unsellable via data set in build.shiptrader.xml

How do we re-enable selling ships to the AI? I don't care the money back I just want to get rid-off unwanted ships. One use case is to refitting your ships in bulk where the most efficient way right now is to sell them and rebuild under the new template. Sending unwanted ships to the enemy space is currently what I do but generates too many notifications and warnings to my liking.

How do we re-enable selling ships to the AI?

How do we re-enable selling ships to the AI?

Egosoft seriously nerfed manual sales of player-built ships in the latest patch, did they not? To the point of being less profitable than AI ship orders. I personally love this change, but if you disagree I'm pretty sure there's a mod on the Nexus to revert it

Too bad. I've always thought what was missing was the ability to help out a faction by either turning over ships to them or whole sectors. What kind of reward you would get in return would be up for debate (money, discounts, whatever).

You said it yourself - it's basically an exploit. If you want to sell ships, you should get factions to order them.

Ideally, sold ships could be assigned to NPC tasks and then the same job quotas the AI uses could be used to limit direct sell capacity. Unfortunately, that's not available for scripts to manipulate.

I noticed from the comments that this mod disables selling player built ships back to a faction. Is there a reason it was implemented like this? I didn't see anything in the mod feature list that really warrants this other than it is technically an exploit in vanilla (faction stations have infinite money and are always forced to buy).

I can see being able to sell a few (size depending) before the credits run out. Maybe a timer based on size to model that. Or some other payment option if that's available for modding.

what kind of conflict are we talking about? #requiemfang

Apparently there's an id conflict between this mod and TaterTrader - https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2082610969

Are these ok to use with an existing save?

https://i.imgur.com/wd4b36A.jpg
AAAA this is an overkill with stations, make them a little smaller :)

Understood. Unfortunately I had to disable the entire Faction Enhancer mod because it seemed to be causing constant freezes of the game, not sure why. Thanks for the info anyway! :)

The flag is set on the ship when it is built, so after removing you'll still only be able to sell ships built after that.