Thank you for the information, that may be the issue, that they are rulers and etc. I actually have never been able to use that power in the many years i've used this mod hehe, but despite that the other additions are just too good to pass up and add a lot of flavor to muslim campaigns. Thank you bunches

And I am glad to see people still enjoying my mods.

@Literal Lizard
I'll have to check to code, let's see...

For it to appear on a character:

The liege must:
You need the Monk and Mystic DLC
Be an adult
A muslim
Not a heretic

The target must:
Be decadent
Of your dynasty
Not a member of a sufi society
A muslim
Not a heretic

For it to be clickable:
The target cannot be incapable
You cannot be incapable
Cannot be inaccessible (stuck in event, seclusion, etc)
The target musn't be a ruler
The target musn't be in a society
The target must be decadent.

It might be limited to your court too, I am not sure if I remember how that line code.

Hey, I know this mod is old and such, and I love it so much, a must have for me. How do I go about forcing decadent members into the sufi order? I'm not sure how to use the power exactly, as it doesn't come up in the list of options for decadent characters. Thanks for the great mod!

@plainswalker88
Sorry, I haven't really played CKII for years. So getting back into it to make a new mod I wouldn't use feel a bit of a waste.

Hello! This is almost the mod i was looking for! Is there any chance you could make a version of this mod for judaism?

@Big Blue Dude
Ck2 mods only start downloading when you launch the launcher, small tweak mods with few picture smight be instant, but those with new pictures might a tiny bit too slow to show the first time? It's a bit of a messy system.

But there shouldn't be anything that prevent it from being downloaded at all, the file size seen on this page show that something is there to be downloaded.

I downloaded this but it's not showing up in my modlist on the launcher OR my computer files. What do?

Thanks it's a good mod it's make muslim saves more enjoyable

I do not see anything in Frosty3 that could break it. Only severly breaking the monastic order or muslims could do that.

Does this need updated for HIP?

This is an amazing mod.

@Maal
Hey i totally understand, i still love your mods (Paradox should learn from them) So thank you for what you have added to the community. Best wishes for whatever your future brings.

@Quis Machina
Unfortunately, I sort-of fell-off CK2 modding. Just keeping the stuff alive and drawing traits/society screens/religion icons and other artwork for other modders if they need any like Rise to Power or CK2plus. But I basicaly do not have the time required to properly test CK2 mods these day, which is the longest and most boring part. :(

Hey Maal i was wondering if youd be able to do anything like say for a Monastic order for Israelite faiths, and maybe something for the pagan religions that take the "Monastic Orders" Doctrine. I mainly ask you because your mods tend to be very compatible, thank you for any info.

@4powerd
I can IIRC. But it'll take a few years for it to reach a decent amount of members and work properly. The game auto-fill societies on game start only. After that it a slow trickle in.

Can this mod be activated during a save? Or do I need to start a new game?

By salafi I mean more traditionalist that was a mistake on my part. I just think it could be a contrast to the Sufi schools. But it's only an idea

@theartisticskeleton
Salafi is something that was created relatively recently. And if it weren't, would they be different enough to be worth an entire society/group by themselves?

Cool mod. Some salafi societies might be interesting as well

@Strozzapreti
Looked at my code and I see that Zaydi is indeed in there, but commented out because it is "un-used" which i guess mean that at that point HIP had disabled that religion or something?

Look at the scripted_trigger file again for the trigger named "has_sufi_societies_religion_shiite".
There is a line of code: "# religion = zaydi #HIP, unused"
Remove the first # and it should work fine.

@Maal already figured out how to do it for normal heresies but now I realized Zaydis aren't a heresy anymore. Is it possible to just add them to a pre-existing society or would that require more work?

@Strozzapreti
You mean allow the heresies in or the Kharijites in particular?

This worked, thanks!

@radicalkiwi
They are still an heresy I think in CK2plus.
Go into common/scripted_triggers, find has_sufi_societies_religion_ibadi, remove the "is_heretic = no"

I haven't tested it, but it should be work?

Hi, I want to make it so that Kharijites can join the Ibadi sufi order in CK2 Plus, how would I go about editing the files to do that?

I have the dlc. The only mods I have are graphical or musical

Just tested it and they seem to be working. Are you using any other mods? Also, unlike my other society mods, this one need monks & mystics as the sufi society are 90% copies of the monastic orders, so you need the dlc.

No I made a new game

@Skidee
Did you enable the mod mid-game? I yes it might take a few years for them to properly work as societies have to randomly fill up, specialy for the non-sunni ones as they are fewer characters of those religion.

When does the order appear? It never shows up for me. I like to play in iron century start

As long as we have your permission!

@Sultan Abdul Hamid II
Holy orders societies are part of my Orders of Chivalry mod.

@al-Sayyid
This mod is just a bit of art and localization tweaking. I do not really want to manage alternate version for compatibility. Feel free to integrate what you want into the AtE mod/exp and just credits me somewhere, if that's fine with you.

Hi @Maal,
Is there a way I can discuss incorporating this into the islam expansion for After the End with you?

Perhaps you could add a holy order for more fundamentalist Muslims, maybe call it the Salafiyya and make the requirement to join as having the zealous trait. Looks like a cool mod.

Love this mod. Thanks

Hey this mod is not compatible with Better Sea Kings mod, in the since that with both mods active the raiding troops from BSK spawn for rulers whether or not they are tribal, have the bloodline, and/or have the decision to spawn the troops. I've already left a comment with the other author. In the meantime I'll just deactivate this when I'm playing pagan.

That Safaviya claim on Persia idea is actually really good. Would it be difficult to implement? I would add it myself just for my own enjoyment but I'm not very experienced

@Jessy2299
If anything was added to the indian/christian societies in the latest version, these won't be in this mod's societies. But that's the only thing, everything else will work as usual.

Is it compatible with last version of the game ?

@Daniel
I see no reason for it not to be but I'll do a check in the coming days. Perhaps the new heresy won't be enabled as people allowed to join, but that fix won't break an on-going save if I update it after you've started the game with my mod.

is this compatible with 3.2 update?

That's from vanilla, merely for balance purposes. Joining the order gives a fertility penalty in order to not make it a no-brainer - and the final bonus is, well, more to make it stand out than anything else.

Try to roleplay: you get a fertility malus because you dedicate most of your time in your rituals and cerimonies, and then a bonus because you reached the highest level and can afford to spend more time with the ladies.

@Enriador
I think that he meant that the other ranks have a penalty, only the 4th has a fertility bonus.

@pdobrzanski What possible reason could there be for a fertility debuff for Mevlevi? The order did not recommend celibacy, quite the opposite.

@pdobrzanski
Weird ain't it? But the person who counseled me about sufism told me it was meant to be positive.

hello. just saying, you forgot a minus in sunni grandmaster and now it gives +15 procent fertility, insteag giving -15 procent fertility

@Wolf
Haven't tested the Wonder patch, but it should be as I do see any change to the monastic orders or muslims.
Looked at Furry4 update and see nothing that would affect it either.

is this mod compatible to the latest patch and hip furry4?

@Enriador
I guess that I could, will add that to the "to-do maybe" list.