@Bread yeah sure :)

Would you mind it if someone was to come in and continue developing the mod with your permission?

you think you could add the cultures from the vanilla version into this one?

Would be pretty cool to add an Egypto-Norse culture from a Norse ruler ruling the Egyptian Arabs and the Coptics, as a reference to this popular AAR https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-serpents-of-the-nile-the-tales-of-the-egypto-norse.706275/

Are you going to add sino-... cultures. It would be cool ;)

Oh! There should be an italian-Berber/Moorish mix, because Pisa, at least from what I've seen, tends to make headway into Tunisia, at least a little bit. The moors could be under the Saracen umbrella maybe, but I don't really know enough about the Maghrebi or Medieval Italian opinions on them to make that judgement...

I think the question came up at some point.

It would be amazing if the mod would also work with the CK2Plus & EU Converter.

Of course I don't know how much effort that would mean..... Just wanted to suggest it.

A north Germanic ruler holding Arab land should probably be called Serklander, a German ruler would probably be simply "Arabish" as with other German melting pots (German word for Arabic is Arabisch, like Bohemian is Bohemisch and African is Afrikanisch), and while Anglo-Arab is fine and all, maybe something like "Angilish", from Arabic "Al'Anjilu", meaning 'Anglo'.

Considering Holy Fury will also be adding some more life to Pagans, maybe the Norse, Slavs, West Africans and Altaics should get some more attention in the coming months. But that's just my two cents... Well, more like an entire dollar, but you get my point. Focus on what you wanna focus on when you have the time to do so.

I noticed that English-Ruler Melting Pots don't activate when it's just Anglo-Saxon. Maybe it should? Would probably be easier than making pre-Normanization version of the cultures.

Speaking of editing previously included cultures, with Holy Fury coming out soon and thus revitalizing Crusades, it would be fitting to add depth to the Euro-Arab cultures instead of just calling them "Levantine X" or "X-Arabic".

Outremer is already in there as a general Crusader Culture, but in this mod it should probably be in place of Levantine French, since Outremer is a French term, meanwhile for Italian cultures, it should probably be Saracen, which is what they're called in medieval Latin scripts.(1/2)

Sorry Danelagh not danelgh

Got another suggestion anglo-saxon and norse could be called Danelgh after the parts of england where the dane laws held sway

From the files looks like you're partially right in CK2+. It fires off when independent east slavs or norse rule provinces within muscovy/novgorod/rus that are both east slav or norse and not their own. So they've got to spread out a little first of they're ilmenian or whatever but it does work. Christianity doesn't factor in.

Just looked since I didn't know: works exactly like you say in vanilla, no norse in particular necessary. Event oc.11. Ck2+ overwrote that with a bolghar culture event looks like.

@Omen actually Russian just happens regardless of what other person is ruling it, I'm pretty sure it even happens if a pre-Rus Russian culture becomes christian. I could be wrong about that, though. I don't really play Russia much...

@Victor Iscariot Russian/Rus culture is already in ck2+. Maybe vanilla too, but I don't remember. Norse and their east slav people in Russia turn Russian when ruled by Norse. Big fan of the Norse-Wend melting pot idea (I called it Nordvind in the past), and the Germans and Poles

Israelite culture group is repeated. Looks like the second iteration is from you working in ashkenazigfx?

The Norgallian culture kinda clashes with Gallawa in ck2+, but Gallawa is a little messy. Gallawa namelist in ck2+ isn't as well made but pulls from welsh, cumbrian, breton, and some irish. It converts if independent northgermanics, picts, bretons, cornish, or cumbrians (but not welsh or irish) have their capital in Scotland, Ireland, Wales, or Brittany (but not Cornwall) and a province (possibly the capital) that both isn't of their own culture group and is of aforementioned cultures. Norse+Britons essentially, and only in Irish or Welsh provinces if they were converted to pictish or whatever. Anyway, since your namegroup for Norgallian is mostly Irish derived and since Gallawa has a niche in ck2+, I'd replace culture_group = Celtic with culture = Irish in eoc_norse just for this version of your mod. Something to consider with future Norbreton too.

Surprised these aren't on the list yet. What about Norse-ruled Russians? Wikipedia that the Norsemen who moved into Russia were called the Rus', and is supposedly where "Russia" gets its name. Also how about Polish-ruled Germans called Niemiecki or maybe Niemetsish as a sort of Germanization, and in turn German-ruled Poles called Polieren? Finally, a Norse-ruled Baltic region is a reasonably historical thing to have. No clue what they'd be called, and you could probably find/make up better names that what I put down, but I feel like these would fit right in.

Fixed it too xD

@_Omen_OZ_ fixed :)

Norsegaelic conversion is hooked up to some magyar localization and works backwards, converting your own north_germanic provinces instead of conquered celtic provinces.

@_Omen_OZ Definitely :) it takes out some of the work!

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-cultures.610605/#post-14621062

Did you want to pluck any of the cultures from here?

Been a while since I threw a suggestion, so here’s an idea Pecheneg and Hungarian. Maybe called besenyő, hungarian for pecheneg

Oh, can you add a conversion from Visigothic to Spanish with the Roman culture? I think that would fit with the other conversions that I suggested.

@Nilserich Yeh definitely :) it's something I've done in other versions of this mod I just haven't got around to doing so in this version :/

Could you adjust the localization for the other languages of the game? It's just copying and pasting.

Otherwise a very cool mod

@Torshian now bohemian and Slovak are very similar, but for Poles Bohemian is very funny in hearing. So also Bohemians had long rule of German rulers after death of Premyslids and where part of HRE from X-XI century, so there could be melting pot. Maybe Bohemish?

@Ers Thanks for the feedback :) Is there any other name for Polish-Bohemian that could be used, or should it be removed since it doesn't make much sense to merge two languages so similar? :/

*Torshian

@Tormenian - about Polish-Bohemian melting pot. First rename bohemian to Czech. And second - cyganish is wrong. Names Bohemia originates from french bohme which was word for gypsy that arrived from Bohemia. And has nothing to do with Slavic people living there. Second in polish cygan means gypsy, so it's wrong name for melting point of 2 Slavic cultures when gypsies has their own culture. Another think is that Bohemians, Slovaks and Poles are the same West Slav group. Differences in languages originates from Bohemia and Slovakia being part of HRE and German influences. Also in Poland d we have Kashubians Who are The descendants of local Pomeranian/Wendish people. Also Silesia has its own culture from influence of Bohemians (Czechs) and Germans.

@Torshian That's a good one, yeah. I never heard of that.

@TaterTot Actually, in Gibraltar a language that is spanish but heavily influenced by both english phrases and english words exists, called Llanito. Should that be used?

@crazy daddy, insane gaming dad no :/

@Torshian Good points, I get what you're going for now and also a good point on Norman although I would argue it was more a Frenchification of the Norse AND a Norsification of the French. It became it's own culture. So I do think Norman would still work.

I wonder if there's any real life equivalents to the Anglo-French identity you mention. Maybe similar to people in Jersey? Same with the Spanish, there are some English enclaves in Spain although they don't assimilate. There's genetic evidence that I think the Basque are related to the Britons, though. So maybe something there?

Does this convert to EU4 correctly?

@TaterTot Thanks for the suggestions :)

I'd like to clarify, however, that the reason that anglo-french and anglo-spanish is used is because in a situation where there was a large population of people who spoke a mixture of two languages, making them distinct from their surroundings, no one would call them anglo-french, they'd have their own name. I definitely like the celtic suggestions though, but Nordic French is frenchification of the norse rather than the norsification of french - which is a minor difference, similar to the difference between Levantine French and Alfransic.

Sorry for another post, but just noticed Norse + Breton. Easily could just be Norman, as the Bretons and Normans were allied for quite a while and Norman was used by Britons to differentiate themselves from those with Norse and Norman backgrounds. Nordic French too should also be Norman, as that's literally what it is. Hiberno Norse for Scottish Norse and Norse Gaels for Irish Norse also works and was used historically.

I think you should change some of the names. Mostly around England. There are already actual names for English + French for example = Anglo-French. For Spain it could be Anglo Spanish or Anglo Iberian. For Celtic cultures Celtiberian works well (and was ofc an actual thing for Celtic Spain) and Gaul or Gallic for Celtic + French also works.

I really like the mod idea btw. I'm just hoping to show that there are actual real world counterparts to what you're doing that would make sense to use.

@Nali1301 That's weird.. it's fine for me, does anyone else have this problem? It could just be you, which would mean maybe something is wrong with your CK2Plus version. :/

totaly bug for african culture for me, specialy for hausa kanem bornu kingdom , assyrian and tibetan culture is white color, and certain culture is disapear , is compatibily with last version of CKII?

Cool! Thanks for the info and keep up the good work!

@Slothinator In Notepad++ I duplicate the "base" culture (i.e. Levantine Arabic for Levantine French) and paste it in a culture group that makes sense (varies between merged cultures whether it would still remain in the base group or move over to the conqueror's group).

Then I open the vanilla cultures in another tab and make guesses as to how the names of the base culture would change as they become more similar to the conquering culture (this can be the use of specific letters, such as in French and Turkish where "é"s and "ç"s can be commonplace, or difference in spellings caused by certain languages finding the distinction between two words and/or sounds very difficult to hear, e.g. "Year" and "Ear", "Ship" and "Sheep" is difficult for many Europeans, while in French they have "Rue" and "Roue").

Just out of curiosity, what is your process when making a new culture?

@Alexios Komnenos no, sadly it isn't eu4 converter compatible (yet), and Franco-Norse is different from Norman in that it would be French rulers ruling over Norse subjects rather than the other way around :)

And shouldn't "Franco-Norse" become Norman?

Is this EU4 converter compatible?

Another suggestion is Polish and bohemian culture. Can't think of a name really, also thanks for adding my prior suggestion.

@jlmbarr Or Briton, in reference to the pre-anglosaxon celts? I'll add it to the list :)

How about Breton and anglo saxon, maybe anglo-brexon

@Lavie Thanks for the suggestions :)

Sadly it will be a while for any major change due to exams, but I think this is a really cool idea :)

Suggestion: Varangian culture should be able to trigger certain events, for example, son joining the varangian guard. And other mix cultures should be able to trigger some events of their parent cultures as well.
Or it would feel bland at this stage.