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2020 USS Montana Weapons Test
   
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2020 USS Montana Weapons Test

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Hey Everyone!

This is just a small simple little "Target Practice" scenario I made so I could test CMANO's editor's new system of adding and removing weapon mounts and magazines. I added a 4th 16" gun turret, 2 64 cell MK41 VLS, and 1 AN/SPY-6 radar onto the USS Missouri in order to jerry-rig together a modernized Montana class Battleship.

Not meant to be taken too seriously (though, I do believe the Zumwalt and F-35 are trash, and that newly-built Battleships do have a reason to exist and a place within a modern navy :) ).

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2020;
The US military has reorganized into a capable fighting-force once again, rather than a police force. With this, the US has built the first new Battleship since 1944, a modified version of the WWII-designed USS Montana, and needed a way to test it's capabilities and "show off" their new toy to China. As such, the USN has designated a number of old, incapable ships, like the early flight Arliegh Burkes, and the Zumwalt, and the old USS Nimitz to be targets for Montana's guns.
Additionally, the island of Pagan in the Marianas has been littered with targets for Montana's various weapons.

Use the Montana's various weapons in manual fire to destroy all the hostile targets on and around Pagan
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Revan  [作者] 2018 年 12 月 30 日 下午 1:42 
that's exactly what the old ERM shell program was supposed to do for the Iowa's guns, laser guidance and 100+ nautical mile range
rdblkhe 2018 年 12 月 30 日 下午 12:13 
I like the idea of shells, but we need much much longer range cannons, and perhaps some level of guidance
Revan  [作者] 2018 年 12 月 30 日 上午 10:40 
oh, I didn't mean the railgun; no, the original ERM was a shell with a rocket booster strapped on
rdblkhe 2018 年 12 月 30 日 上午 12:14 
ESSMs are very good at defending ships, but like you said, they're going to want longer range weapons. Cruise missiles offer us virtually unlimited striking range, whereas the futuristic rail gun has a range 1/16th that of TLAMs. We need to pump that range up.

I think guns are a really useful component of our land bombardment strategy, but we need to actually build those weapons and equip our cruisers with them.

The Zumwalt is good for what it was designed for, it just didn't meet the cost requisites, which is okay, since economies of scale dramatically cut costs. We should finish building 30 Zumwalts so long as we get the price down per ship, like how we got the F-35 price down more than 50%.
Revan  [作者] 2018 年 12 月 29 日 下午 10:57 
The problem with modern missiles, is that they are so expensive to make, and so time-consuming to make that the USN does not have enough to go around.

Most of the time the USN is not deploying ships with full missile compliments so as to allow other ships to have a missile compliment; an Arsenal Ship would almost single-handedly use up a fairly siginficant percentage of the Navy's missiles.

Also, the only way to get 1,000 SAMs on a ship would be to use quad-packed ESSMs, which are a very short-ranged weapon, a BB captain would most likely demand that some of those tubes be filled with something more long-ranged, like the SM-6 or even SM-3 for BMD duty.
Revan  [作者] 2018 年 12 月 29 日 下午 10:53 
I would posit that large-caliber guns are still useful for ASuW work too, but we also don't really know exactly how effective anti-ship missiles truely are. The only times that ASMs have been used semi-recently (thinking the Falklands, 1988's Operation Preying Mantis, and the Stark incident), the missiles did not guarentee a kill; USS Stark was able to limp back home to repair, HMS Sheffield was sunk, but for a number of reasons including ship design flaws, and the IS Sahand survived 3 direct hits from Harpoons, 4 hits from AGM-123 skippers, and a Walleye hit and still did not sink.

The main batteries on a Battleship, while also not guarenteed to give a 1-hit kill, would almost certainly result in a mission-kill on the target, and would have a higher probability of a devastating "lucky hit" resulting in a magazine explosion like on the HMS Hood. even if you had to fire multiple shots to kill the target, again, Battleship shells are far cheaper than missiles.
Revan  [作者] 2018 年 12 月 29 日 下午 10:53 
sure, taking a WWII era hull design and using a nuke reactor would open up enough space for you to do that, but the large-caliber guns still have their place.

The original idea behind the extended-ranged shells for the Zumwalt class was to convert 16" gun shells for the Iowa class to be able to shoot accurately at ranges over 100 Nautical Miles.

The 16" HE shell does the same amount of damage as a TLAM does, but for much much much less cost, extend it's range out to say, 90 NM; you gain ranges sufficient to hit targets much farther inland with the same power as a TLAM, but with much less cost. the 16" AP shell can penetrate almost 30 feet of reinforced concrete at or slightly below ground level; short of a Nuke, only very specialized bombs dropped from jets can replicate that, which again, said bombs are very expensive, and only a very limited number were ever built.
rdblkhe 2018 年 12 月 29 日 下午 9:44 
I like the idea of having battleships; if you take of the guns out, you can put in 416 Mk 41 cells which allows us to put on one ship, hundreds of cruise missiles, or over a thousand SAMs, or somewhere inbetween.

This would allow the ship to operate alone, or with a small ASW frigate escort, wielding as much firepower as a carrier battle group. :Attacker:
Revan  [作者] 2018 年 12 月 28 日 下午 4:43 
And thats why in WWII, the Battleships had literally close to 100 AA guns on the ship itself and always sailed with escorts (or escorted something).

In the 1980s, the principle was the same, 4 CWIS mounted on the ship + the 12 5" guns firing heavy flak and they always sailed with heavy ASW and Cruiser escorts.
{GNRep}ARC Commander Orar 2018 年 12 月 28 日 下午 2:14 
Air power would kill any Battleship that gets caught out alone.