I have banned macsergey for 7 days from this group as his intent appears to be to personally attack me, with demonstrated lies. His rebuttal when confronted was to reiterate his "paranoid" attack while offering no explanation about the apparent lies I pointed out. So far he has not made an appeal.

This thread was started by a user of his mod, and its purpose is to offer support to him and potentially other users of the same mod. It should not be seen as an opportunity to launch personal attacks.

Reasoned, civil criticism is still welcome in this group. If macsergey or others have such criticism, and are able to articulate it in a civil manner, accompanied with reasons that prompted the criticism, they are most welcome to make your points here. Creating an appropriate thread would be appreciated, if a fitting thread does not yet exist.

I don't wish to be censor here, hence the cooldown I handed macsergey is temporary and set at 7 days, which I consider is enough time for him to think of a proper response to users of his mod who are inconvenienced by his changes.

引用自 macsergey：

Yes, you are paranoid. Look at release commits.

Your commits are an eyesore to look at, and I won't waste any more time digging through that undocumented mess. You should learn how to write a commit message. I suggest this article:

https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/

引用自 macsergey：

Has anyone ever told you that you're paranoid that everyone wants to stop your Harmony branch?

Id of your mod just was not added to check list.
I saw your reports. This issue was fixed before you report.
Commits with dependencies checker was added before your reports.

Relax, man.

On May 27, you committed a change titled "update base mod" in which you specifically declared a conflict with Harmony Redesigned, forcing users of your mods to unsubscribe it if found:

https://github.com/MacSergey/ModsCommon/commit/ffea5a86e55cfe3e05c48401ee4a7b087cfce2d2

My reports to you are dated May 22, ie, before this dependency checker commit.

Then, a day later on May 28, you changed your code to allow Harmony Redesigned:

https://github.com/MacSergey/ModsCommon/commit/556b03ddea37ea466c2828fad070ce80b079b21e

The module "MacSergey/ModsCommon" where these changes were made are used in all your mods, if I'm not mistaken, meaning that whatever shenanigans you're playing will eventually be part of all your mod releases.

So, you coming here, lying about your own conduct, does nothing more than prove that in fact you are in fact wanting to stop my Harmony mod. Am I "paranoid" as you say, or are you really scheming against my mod?

Take your lies somewhere else, macsergey.

I'd say I'm curious what motivated your May 28 change to allow Harmony Redesigned, but given you've already proven yourself a liar, I do not expect a truthful response from you.

引用自 YuLun：

引用自 Chaos：

I guess this is going to be macsergey's response. Rather than fix his bugs, he will deliberately detect and prevent his mods from using Harmony Redesigned, so that other existing bugs cannot be detected and reported.

Oh my, I will die if he really going to do that, I can't bear a city with no markings at junctions

CS:L community is splitting...

In the short term, I would suggest making local copies of the mods you care about, so when they are broken, you can use your backups.

Longer term, my Harmony is becoming a full content manager, and will nullify nonsense like this by managing versioning of mods, so you can select and use any version of any mod/assets

Interesting.

I reported a couple of bugs to macsergey with his two mods Node Marking and Node Controller renewal

• https://github.com/MacSergey/NodeMarkup/issues/254
  
• https://github.com/MacSergey/NodeController30/issues/24

11 days later, he has not yet responded to these issue reports.

I guess this is going to be macsergey's response. Rather than fix his bugs, he will deliberately detect and prevent his mods from using Harmony Redesigned, so that other existing bugs cannot be detected and reported.

One solution would be for someone to fork his projects, and remove the forced end-user choice of the unstable old harmony.

I guess this is one more problem for me to solve, although anyone can fork projects that deliberately break compatibility in the CO's workshop.

Thank you for reporting this.

And thank you CO / Felix Schmidt / boformer for dividing the community that pays your salary.

I don't use Network Extensions 2 myself, so I can't check this, hence I'm asking for your help.

Harmony Redesigned (HR) is designed specifically to not break complex mods like Network Extensions 2, and it was created expressly in response to the old Harmony ("dependency") mod when, on February 14, through an untested update broke a number of mods, including Network Extensions.

I would like your feedback as to whether HR does indeed enable Next2 to function correctly as it did with the old Harmony before the February 14 break.

There are many players who use Next2 and are impacted by the old Harmony breakage, and your feedback would be most welcome both here and on threads like NExt2 Alternatives which seek to persuade other players that Next2 is somehow broken.

Thank you

引用自 Ciar Aon：

When using a local copy of your Harmony mod, will it always load before Workshop subscribed items, thus removing the need to worry about load order?

Yes. It would then be loaded with the other local mods, in alphabetical order, and before any workshop mods.

However, worrying about load order is a one-time-thing. Once all the buggy mods are resubscribed after HR, there will be no more load order issues in the future.

Most mods that require Harmony and are correctly implemented do not have a load order problem, even though they load before Harmony. It's only a handful of mods that are incorrectly implemented. If run without any Harmony at all, these mods would crash instead of popping up the "Missing dependency, please install" prompt. This is because they don't check whether Harmony is installed, but assume it always is.

The short list of affected mods and feedback from their authors is at https://github.com/drok/Harmony-CitiesSkylines/issues/9#issuecomment-801507076

引用自 YuLun：

For me, both are safe to use so far, no error message at all

It can be issue of loading order, you need to make sure redesigned and some other framework (prefab hook, etc.) load earlier than mods based on them (IMT, TMPE, etc.)

You can have a look at my loading order (loading order is subscribing order) which may help you get rid of this ^^

I agree, tweaking the load older is all it takes. To do it, unsub the two mods, and re-subscribe them. This will make them load after Harmony Redesigned, since mods are loaded in the order they were subscribed.

Both of these mods should be working great with Harmony Redesigned, but they both have some bugs with simple workarounds:

See Intersection Marking Tool and Node Controller errors

I would appreciate some feedback if that solution helped you.

It looks like you have problems of two kinds:

1. The new "node controller" has inherited all the old node controller's problems, and then some. Both mods #1 and #8 (new node controller and intersection marker, both by macsergey) suffer from the TypeLoadException issue described in detail at CitiesHarmony.API misuse (TypeLoadException on load)[github.com].

EDIT: Even the abridged report above includes the links to technical bug info; note the (see https://github.com/drok/Harmony-CitiesSkylines/issues/9) language.

You should report this bug to the author, and meanwhile you can work around it by unsubscribing these two mods and re-subscribing them. This will make them load after Harmony, thus sweeping the bug under the rug temporarily.

To be certain, the TypeLoadException bugs are bugs in node controller and intersection marker respectively, and are reported by Harmony redesigned after the fact.

2. Missing dependencies which are typical with some mods (mods #7, #16 and #36). See the FAQ How to react to the missing dependencies? You can report these to their authors, but likely they are not really affecting your game too much. The reports indicate sloppy mods.


I note that the abridged report you posted is good, but the unabridged version which is logged in your log file is more complete, and contains the answer #1 above. The pop-up window has a limited size, so a full report is not possible in the popup, hence the need for an unabridged version.

Typically if you have any issues, the unabridged version should be first the place to look for solutions.

I hope this helps.