Hello MenschLennart,

The CitiesHarmony.API should work with either Harmony mod (boformer's, or mine). If you have missing dependencies, most likely you have missed something. Once you install boformer's CitiesHarmony.API from nuget.org into Visual Studio, this will provide both the API, and the Harmony library itself. However, this does not create references to the game's assemblies, so those dependencies need to be added manually. Ie, you'll be able to call HarmonyLib.Harmony functions, but not ICities functions to access game data.

To access game data, you need to add file references to your mod project to C:\References\Assembly-CSharp.dll and C:\References\ColossalManaged.dll, which you should copy from the game's distributed files.

There is not yet a published API for Harmony (redesigned), nor specific examples to go with it, but I'm working on both API and examples as we speak, as I have implemented some requested and needed features. My API and examples will be published before or around the same time as this new game update comes on Wednesday.

What dependencies are wrong or missing in your project? If you give some more detail, myself or someone else may be able to give specific feedback

引用自 YuLun：

A quick update about log files: Here on Github[github.com]

Hi YuLun, and thank you very much for the insightful and clear explanation of what these mods do and how they're expected to work; I had no idea. This is the kind of info that allows me to look into a problem and know, at least roughly, what I'm looking for.

I already see Harmony reporting some UI errors. Also, several users report the PLT feature of "prop anarchy" to not work, or not show up, so I think it's the problem with that mod, not related to harmony.

This demonstrates why the "Harmony Report" is so useful, as it pinpoints exceptions exactly, and tracks which mod generated them. This information would make bugs in mods much quicker to find and fix, and would improve the overall quality of mods on the workshop. This improvement is exactly why I designed the "Harmony Report" to begin with, as I believe bug reports which are accurate and correctly attributed directly improve quality. On the other hand, handwavy "compatibility reports" perpetuating hearsay do nothing but build more uncertainty. Yuk.

Thank you both YuLun and Ysharros for your reports. Together, they confirm that whether users choose the older "Prop&Tree anarchy" or the two newer mods that do the same thing, Harmony (redesigned) supports them all flawlessly.

引用自 Ysharros：

Can confirm. I regularly use all of the above & Harmony (redesigned) together, with the exception of EML, and have no issues other than those caused by my assets-mania.

Thank you for your corroboration, but it invites a question: as I understand it, the two "anarchy" mods (2696146766 and 2527486462) require EML, so can they be used without, or are you referring to the distinctly different mod "prop&tree anarchy" (593588108)?

Follow up to a report on the Harmony (redesigned) comment page:

引用自 "Sir SheikhsPears"：

@Chaos @Holly Water: So, I gave a try to yours version of HarmonyRedesigned.

Unfortunately, I return to the original Harmony - yours is totally incompatible with EML, PA and TA by Quistar.

I have tested the following together:

• Extended Managers Lib 1.0.3 (11 updates in 9 days)
  
• Prop Anarchy 0.6.8 (12 updates in 12 days)
  
• Move It 2.9.5 (32 updates in 3 years)
  
• Tree Anarchy 1.3.1 (69!!! updates in 6 months)
  
• Harmony (ie, redesigned, v0.9) (4 updates in 11 months)

This combination seems to work fine. I don't know how to use these mods, but they do show a few new tree anarchy/prop anarchy buttons at the bottom of the screen, and they are clickable. See the Harmony Report for this run[gist.github.com]. I also tested the same mods, but with Colossal Order's harmony, and the behaviour appears identical. There is of course, nothing reported about the health of these mods from Colossal Order's harmony.

I note that Harmony (redesigned) does identify some serious issues with this mod combination, although they don't appear to affect behaviour:

• The Move It mod throws two NullReferenceException's on return to desktop/unload, which is likely one reason why this mod cannot be "second loaded"
  
• There are various missing assemblies, of various versions, which means that the authors have an undisciplined approach to versions, ie, they make wrong assumptions about which EML or which MoveIT version they are talking to. All these mods are extremely frequently updated, with very frequent bugs and very frequent bug fixes. They have an undisciplined approach to interface versioning, and it's no wonder that they are unstable individually, and as a set. They are all moving targets built in shifting quicksand. If there are some combinations of versions that work, it's not by design, but by luck. It also doesn't help that you cannot lock down steam, it always updates whenever the authors click "publish", meaning your files get updated willy-nilly without any coordination.

As noted, this combination is very unstable due to the undisciplined approach of the authors. As end users, you are at the mercy of luck and circumstance, and your experience in game will reflect it. It's not something I can help with. Instead, you should demand better quality from your mod authors.

If @Sir SheikhsPears, or anyone else has further information that demonstrate a problem, please provide details, and I will investigate. Until then, Harmony works great with EML and friends.

This "Report" is malware to benefit CO/boformer/Felix Schmidt, and their own Harmony, and Finwickle is not the honest author he wants us to believe.

At this time, the mod "Harmony 2.0.4-5 (EXPERIMENTAL)" (2399204842) has last been updated 23 Jun, 2021 @ 6:18pm, and has last seen any activity from the author 28 Jun, 2021 @ 8:03am

Also, at this time, the most current version of the Report's catalog, updated Jan 2, 2021[github.com] shows the experimental mod as "Stable". By Finwickle's standards, (6months since update -> "abandoned"), the mod should have been marked as "abandoned". Instead, it is given a squeeky clean bill with no markers indicating any semblance of an issue, as shown below, and at the source location in the url above. This "experimental" version is obviously untested, and given the history of breakages related to CO's harmony mod, should be regarded as highly unstable.



There is no doubt in my mind that Finwickle is a liar, that he intentionally designed and published his malware to steer users to Colossal Order's Harmony, and away from mine. Here is what my entry in his catalog looks like (very scary language):

1. The AuthorID is set to "0" to make it difficult for users to contact me directly. Other mods, including CO/boformer as shown above, show the correct SteamID
   
2. Stability is set as "MajorIssues". The ultimate judge of any software's stability is the authors, and is based on the incoming bug reports. I have consistently addressed every issue report openly and transparently, and got to the root cause of the issue in every case. None of the reported issues so far turned out to be faults in my Harmony mod. However, in any case, it's not any third party's responsibility to report on the stability of software. Instead, the author (in this case me, the author of Harmony (redesigned)) is responsible to inform you, the users of the stability of the software I provide you with. It is my practice to thoroughly test every release, and investigate every issue report, as I wish to give you only the highest quality software. I stand by the the quality of my work, and to my satisfaction, I have done quite well on quality so far.
   
3. Successors field is set as "2040656402", which is CO's harmony mod. This is a lie. just by inspection, my mod was published 2021-02-17T23:51:00Z, and CO's mod was published 2020-03-30T02:39:00Z, roughly a year earlier. In English, successor means something that follows. It's obviously a lie, intended to lead users to believe that CO's harmony is somehow superior.
   
4. Statuses = Abandoned, DependencyMod. Also obviously a lie. Harmony (redesigned) is complete, fully tested, fully supported, production-ready software. I think "abandoned" implies "no updates" in Finwickle's vernacular. Being completed, released and tested, and having found no bugs, there is no need for "updates". The lack of updates, but obvious presence of prompt and thorough support, should be read as "rock solid software". Once again, this "abandoned" language is intended to make the user feel insecure and more likely to switch to Finwickle's "recommendation"
   
5. SourceUrl = the URL that Finwickle gives is wrong, and obviously different than the URL I listed on the mod's description page. The URL I gave is for the exact version that the published mod was compiled with, while the URL Finwickle gave, is not a URL I listed anywere, but he fabricated (based on elementary understanding of how github URLs are formed), but it points to the "master" branch, which I happen to use as the development branch, ie, which is inherently more buggy than the release branch URL I published. The intention is to point users to an unreleased version of the code, which is never intended to be released specifically because it's not fully tested. He's trying to convince users of my mod that what they are running is the "development"/potentially buggy version.
   
6. Note = editorial commentary about me being banned from the Steam Workshop. It is obviously a lie, as my work is still featured on the Workshop, and I am still able to assign other accounts to perform support and maintenance, as uploading updates. Holy Water is filling this duty. However, I remain in full control of my mods on the Steam Workshop. I am banned from CO's discussion forum, and Steam translates this to a ban from the forum on my own item pages. I don't know if this is intentional or a bug on Steam, but the fact remains, I'm not banned from the Workshop, and I still have full control. This lie is designed to deceive users into believing they are using a convicted person's work. Just because I'm not allowed to post on CO's forum, does not mean I'm not able to use the workshop to provide my users with high quality software.
   

So, every line in Finwickle report is a lie, intended to compromise the privacy and security of the users of my software.

Rest assured, dear users, that my software remains fully supported, until I announce personally that I decided to set an end-of-life. I will give you as much notice as possible when, and if that should be necessary. However, I expect that CO will be out of business, or Cities Skylines will be obsolete before I abandon my software.

Anyone telling you otherwise is lying. I will communicate any updates or bug reports, or recalls, or other issues with you, directly, and not through any middle-men, especially not self-appointed, interested, men-in-the-middle. It's not an accident that I ended the description page of my mod with:

Hi YuLun, and thank you very much for this feedback, it is exceptionally well composed and informative.

I will still look into Lifecycle Rebalance and the "Harmony Required" error. I've seen this error before when testing with both the old harmony and my own installed. The conflict between the two would make it so mods could not find either one. It's a test I run as a developer, along with other twisted configurations, to make sure my code is well behaved even with bad input. Ie, it should not just crash, but do something sensible instead, like report a problem, visibly.

Thank you again. I'll add more investigation results here

引用自 keystonecity：

Please be aware Holy Water... when I followed all your steps; many mods were NOT able to work properly. Ended up getting multiple "Harmony Required" to operate Lifecycle Rebalance, Plop Growables, Force Level Up, etc... Also, Find It does not work at all with this mod...

Understanding that you are trying to IMPROVE Harmony; and for that, we are grateful for your efforts... Thank you!

There is a report on the Item page which is quoted above. I'm starting this thread here so I can provide a solution once I've investigated.

Thanks for the report, keystonecity!

引用自 UncleYar：

Would you mind reuploading elsewhere your archive.ph link, it's down.

It works for me .. the link should be archive.ph/ysNEh

引用自 UncleYar：

BTW, why not MIT for your work instead of GPL? Having followed a lot of open-source projects, I find that GPL is more often than not a source of bickering, and give the nature of your work, would you be mad if someone else incorporated it in their product, even commercial?

GPL requires modifications to the source code to be published, while MIT allows improvements to be close-sourced.

I believe that if someone were to improve work that they received for free, the bugfixes and improvements should also be made available back to the community for free, which is the main feature of GPL that makes it more desirable to me than MIT.

The MIT license allows free code to be privately improved and bugfixed, while the publicly available version retains any bugs. If we're going to stand on each other's shoulders by using each other's work, then let's not forget the spirit of mutual support.

GPL code can be incorporated in commercial products. I would not be the least bit mad. I do expect that any improvements to the source code be published, specifically in the case where the full commercial product is closed-source, so that the publicly available code base remains useful in the (far) future.

But let me ask you: Are there any benefits to the MIT license over GPL that I should give more weight to?

引用自 YuLun：

引用自 33Rev：

In case anyone is wondering, I am still subscribed to it, I have not seen a workshop download update (where it could be removed without my consent), and can verify I'm still using it in game. So it still exists.... However I can't view the workshop item, but I can see it in the subscribed mods list. It's a bit of an odd state

I still can search and view this mod normally, either using my steam account or visitor, mod is not hidden or prohibited either.

And the mod actually shows prior to boformer's Harmony ( :P ). When searching 'harmony' without any filters, it comes up at second place (first place is a map); with 'mod' filter it comes up at first place, followed by two versions of boformer's Harmony

Indeed, boformer/Felix filed two DMCA complaints at the time, one with Valve/Steam, and one with Github. I contested both, and he made no further noise in March. The Github code was never removed, though I added some comments in the source code to clarify the copyright with this commit[github.com]

The steam workshop mod was marked invisible for about two weeks by Valve, to give Felix time to file a proper DMCA lawsuit, and when he did not, Valve re-activated the mod, without any change whatsoever. If his complaint had not been fraudulent, he should have followed up with a proper lawsuit, as I invited him to do, and as he would be entitled to do. He went silent on the copyright claim, but continues to attack me with commentary in public places, and by sending various trolls to harass me. This is why the LeonardMT character is here.

So other than the mod being temporarily hidden from searches, it is now visible as it should always be.

Fortunately I tested it very thoroughly before releasing it, so it has not required bug fixes yet. However, Colossal Order/Felix Schmidt do not allow me to answer questions on the workshop post, which is why I'm (slowly) working on a different way to release such software so it's not subject to CO's censorship.

There is renewed interest from one LeonardMT on this topic. At this time, this individual is friends with kian.zarin, who is close collaborator with Felix Schmidt. LeonardMT states:

引用自 LeonardMT：

@Holy Water I was not attacking anyone. I was simply answering a question with an answer that is generally accepted by the wider community. I personally heard from several modders that he is an aggressive hostile person. Now I still don't know the full story about the Harmony Redesigned DMCAs but according to the DMCA [github.com] which Chaos conveniently never linked to (because it doesn't fit his narrative) shows that he VIOLATED the MIT license. Chaos did address it but rather then keeping at that now he's played victim and saying that CO is oppressing him. The deeper I look into this the more I smell a rat on Chaos's side.

But fine go on and delete this comment but next time don't say that I'm attacking someone when I was just answering a question.

A capture of his post is here:

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2680925631

I will respond here shortly.

EDIT: The DMCA notice he linked to is here[github.com]