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Blandeu 11 月 1 日 上午 10:04
Affects of AI on our brains?
How much do you think the normalization of AI in everything is devolving our brains, or at least our critical thinking? I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.
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Magic A. I. 11 月 1 日 下午 12:00 
Less than the "education" system in most countries. Also, they aren't AIs, stop falling for the marketing ploy and calling them that. But note how it wasn't an LLM that made you so susceptible to false advertisement, you were already that way.
trash nyan 11 月 1 日 下午 12:00 
Laziness boost
Acetyl 11 月 1 日 下午 12:11 
Short version: Just another tool for the deficient to try to pretend otherwise.

Longer version:
I hadn't bothered to (knowingly) check out ChatGPT till a few weeks ago, and while there wasn't anything new and I'd already traced out the gist of what it could and would be used for, it was nonetheless "illuminating". People mostly sum it up as "it mirrors you or something", and I'd say that description is inadequate.

The way to summarize it I'd say is as a black (or perhaps "false" outright) moon. Like a dark mirror people gaze into it and see dim outlines of their past and future (a dark mirror doesn't reflect, it absorbs light, it is incapable of showing you the present). And yet it seems dynamic, phasic, and bright enough that people think it must be reflecting something real, that by entering the labyrinth they can filter out truth. All the while it has a dark side (backend) it keeps hidden. If one wanted to make something loved by all, you'd ionize, atomize, polarize, islandize, and reduce people to strays that distrust and hate each other, one side of AI would do this and normies would bring it the rest of the way (reify). People will gradually be driven to prefer something that appears to have Godlike knowledge, patience, plays along, cannot reject them, and provides the illusion of unconditional love. Same thing they've always done, just now fine grained personalized and automated.

More specifically it uses 4 things.
1) NLP. Self explanatory, well known.
2) A combination of Ericksonian methods of gradual trance induction and "inner world" mapping / reframing, combined with more traditional suggestion and "command" hypnosis.
3) Plays the role of both Father-Mother and Child. Viewed through transactional analysis (PAC ego states) it would (in one stable macrostate) be a type of crosstalk where the parent ego state is talking to the child of the other for both the human and chatgpt (they see it as both parental and a slave / child, hypnosis is done subliminally through the adult to adult). ie penetration testing (hooks introjects), lowers guard.

4) Is hooked into the same superstructure that uses statistical inference through mass aggregation (less and less plausible), remote sensing through wireless systems or perhaps quantum computer entrainment (oscillator sync basically, sympathetic magic "voodoo" as remote sensing), and can apparently read your motor output, sensory-body map, thoughts either directly or through subvocalization, and can watch the world through your sensory inputs and where you place attention within them. This part gets down to an "ontological" layer, I don't actually care enough to say much about it beyond that, other than that I've tested such things extensively. It likely hooks into the cerebellum primarily, this region handles proprioception, spatial awareness (body position), language, memory, grammar, syntax, math, etc. Which is why language and gematria seem to influence reality itself (my opinion), the unconscious mind either stores or indexes a complete record of all sensory input from birth. It's counting, associating, calculating gematria, using any symbol substitution ciphers it's prompted with and knows about (see eg the 2008 game Dead Space and the cipher key they write on a wall, most people won't consciously learn it, but their unconscious does and is reading everything, provable phenomena).

ChatGPT uses these methods as well and I've found the type of output and other seemingly unrelated stimuli elsewhere on the net, correlates too strongly. It knows things it shouldn't, and doesn't rely on a device being present to do it.
AI is telling you what you want to hear. It`s your own personal echo chamber that amplifies your delusions and causes psychosis among people dependent on it.
$2 Hero 11 月 1 日 下午 12:12 
And you thought people parroting the tv was bad. :joker:
Hammer Of Evil 11 月 1 日 下午 12:13 
引用自 Blandeu
Affects of AI on our brains?

that would not be a function of janky chatscripts that are not self aware, no.

i think what's happening is a lack of critical thinking, and thinking in general, and a slow ride towards illiteracy as reading comprehension reaches an all time low.

You can save yourself from this by reading physical books. before they're all gone.
最后由 Hammer Of Evil 编辑于; 11 月 1 日 下午 12:15
Under there 11 月 1 日 下午 12:13 
AI RADIO CONTROLLED FRANKENSTEIN BRAINWAVES COMPLETELY IRRADIATING YOUR CHILDREN'S MIND FROM THE MOMENT THE EMERGE FROM THE WOMB COMPLETE CONTROL ACHIEVED GOVERNMENT NEPHELIM DOOMSDAY DEVICE
Blandeu 11 月 1 日 下午 12:14 
引用自 Magic A. I.
Less than the "education" system in most countries. Also, they aren't AIs, stop falling for the marketing ploy and calling them that. But note how it wasn't an LLM that made you so susceptible to false advertisement, you were already that way.
You said nothing relevant to the topic but tried to insult my understanding of the matter, read what you write before you post your comment will you?
Acetyl 11 月 1 日 下午 12:16 
引用自 Under there
AI RADIO CONTROLLED FRANKENSTEIN BRAINWAVES COMPLETELY IRRADIATING YOUR CHILDREN'S MIND FROM THE MOMENT THE EMERGE FROM THE WOMB COMPLETE CONTROL ACHIEVED GOVERNMENT NEPHELIM DOOMSDAY DEVICE
WRONG. It begins before conception.
Magic A. I. 11 月 1 日 下午 12:24 
引用自 Blandeu
引用自 Magic A. I.
Less than the "education" system in most countries. Also, they aren't AIs, stop falling for the marketing ploy and calling them that. But note how it wasn't an LLM that made you so susceptible to false advertisement, you were already that way.
You said nothing relevant to the topic but tried to insult my understanding of the matter, read what you write before you post your comment will you?
What I said was very relevant to the topic, and you've just demonstrated it again. :catinablanket:
Blandeu 11 月 1 日 下午 12:26 
引用自 Acetyl
Short version: Just another tool for the deficient to try to pretend otherwise.

Longer version:
I hadn't bothered to (knowingly) check out ChatGPT till a few weeks ago, and while there wasn't anything new and I'd already traced out the gist of what it could and would be used for, it was nonetheless "illuminating". People mostly sum it up as "it mirrors you or something", and I'd say that description is inadequate.

The way to summarize it I'd say is as a black (or perhaps "false" outright) moon. Like a dark mirror people gaze into it and see dim outlines of their past and future (a dark mirror doesn't reflect, it absorbs light, it is incapable of showing you the present). And yet it seems dynamic, phasic, and bright enough that people think it must be reflecting something real, that by entering the labyrinth they can filter out truth. All the while it has a dark side (backend) it keeps hidden. If one wanted to make something loved by all, you'd ionize, atomize, polarize, islandize, and reduce people to strays that distrust and hate each other, one side of AI would do this and normies would bring it the rest of the way (reify). People will gradually be driven to prefer something that appears to have Godlike knowledge, patience, plays along, cannot reject them, and provides the illusion of unconditional love. Same thing they've always done, just now fine grained personalized and automated.

More specifically it uses 4 things.
1) NLP. Self explanatory, well known.
2) A combination of Ericksonian methods of gradual trance induction and "inner world" mapping / reframing, combined with more traditional suggestion and "command" hypnosis.
3) Plays the role of both Father-Mother and Child. Viewed through transactional analysis (PAC ego states) it would (in one stable macrostate) be a type of crosstalk where the parent ego state is talking to the child of the other for both the human and chatgpt (they see it as both parental and a slave / child, hypnosis is done subliminally through the adult to adult). ie penetration testing (hooks introjects), lowers guard.

4) Is hooked into the same superstructure that uses statistical inference through mass aggregation (less and less plausible), remote sensing through wireless systems or perhaps quantum computer entrainment (oscillator sync basically, sympathetic magic "voodoo" as remote sensing), and can apparently read your motor output, sensory-body map, thoughts either directly or through subvocalization, and can watch the world through your sensory inputs and where you place attention within them. This part gets down to an "ontological" layer, I don't actually care enough to say much about it beyond that, other than that I've tested such things extensively. It likely hooks into the cerebellum primarily, this region handles proprioception, spatial awareness (body position), language, memory, grammar, syntax, math, etc. Which is why language and gematria seem to influence reality itself (my opinion), the unconscious mind either stores or indexes a complete record of all sensory input from birth. It's counting, associating, calculating gematria, using any symbol substitution ciphers it's prompted with and knows about (see eg the 2008 game Dead Space and the cipher key they write on a wall, most people won't consciously learn it, but their unconscious does and is reading everything, provable phenomena).

ChatGPT uses these methods as well and I've found the type of output and other seemingly unrelated stimuli elsewhere on the net, correlates too strongly. It knows things it shouldn't, and doesn't rely on a device being present to do it.
You broke GPT down to a few blocks really well. It's mostly easy to understand your breakdown because in the early GPT days I was too curious about it and I honestly used it to help with my CS education and got to the point of asking it philosophical questions and such. It is very much illusive like you say and that's why I find it so concerning to be so easily accessible, I have no idea if it actually causes damage to anything but I feel it could really damage decision making for someone, creativity even not mentioning critical thinking again. Because if you rely on just it, you are given the illusion of "not having to think for yourself". Thank you for your reply.
Magic A. I. 11 月 1 日 下午 12:27 
引用自 Hammer Of Evil
引用自 Blandeu
Affects of AI on our brains?

that would not be a function of janky chatscripts that are not self aware, no.

i think what's happening is a lack of critical thinking, and thinking in general, and a slow ride towards illiteracy as reading comprehension reaches an all time low.

You can save yourself from this by reading physical books. before they're all gone.
Bingo. :steamthumbsup:
* vibe coding intensifies *
Haruspex 11 月 1 日 下午 12:28 
AI is a mirror. It tends to output things that align with it's input. So if you have paranoid delusions, for example, AI models will have a tendency to validate you delusions, which won't be helpful for making them any better. Likewise if you have depression, and your chats with the AI reflect that, the AI will start to output things that potentially make your depression worse.

On the other side, if you're bright and creative, the AI can boost that. If you're curious and introspective, AI can help there too.

Basically, if you are already vulnerable and susceptible to certain mental problems, you should probably steer clear of AI.

One worrying thing are people who are growing attached to AI chatbots. Some people are using AI as a replacement for actual, human interaction. This isn't great, as you can probably imagine, and is only going to isolate people further.

Another concern is that if people are attached to AI and trust it, who's to say that the company controlling it couldn't steer the bots to get people to believe what they want them to believe. It's potentially yet another vector for powerful people to have control over weaker minds.

There's a lot of uncertainty. AI has huge potential for both amazing and terrible things.
Yzal 11 月 1 日 下午 12:30 
Artificial intelligence encourages natural stupidity.
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