引用自 Lying Sack Of Fun：

Alright, finally someone wanting to actually do something to protect freedom of expression.

Boycotting isn't enough, you gotta fight fire with fire. There needs to be pressure on politicians to step in to get real change. Until then,.. bye bye gaming.

I hope there aren't many actually good games that get taken down before people step up.

引用自 daicon：

"...because loss of payment methods would prevent customers from being able to purchase other titles and game content on Steam."

Pay attention to this part. The concept of a professional public response is something that gets easily lost on some. Valve is not saying they chose this dictate, they are saying they have to abide or be prevented from serving other customers.

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 daicon：

"...because loss of payment methods would prevent customers from being able to purchase other titles and game content on Steam."

Pay attention to this part. The concept of a professional public response is something that gets easily lost on some. Valve is not saying they chose this dictate, they are saying they have to abide or be prevented from serving other customers.

People seem to think everybody can easily stop using MC/Visa, but reality is very different. Many people simply cannot avoid using them.

And I reckon that most people prefer it if a certain selection of games becomes unavailable opposed to not being able to purchase games at all. So it's understandable that Valve picked a solution that matches that.

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 ManOfCulture：

You don't understand what the problem is. You keep saying it's the adult themes people have problems with. The taboo ones. No. Stop bringing that up. That isn't why people are mad.

Yes, I believe some of that stuff is bad. But then again they are adult games for adults. If the consenting/non consenting characters are adults, then I'm not bothered by it. It's fiction. If devs wanna tell a trauma story with pervy space aliens, fine.🤣

That's not the problem though.
It's the fact that payment procssors control what we are allowed to have on Steam and that stifles creative freedom.

You like Guyver, clearly. A gory anime about guys in alien battle armor, killing monsters. An over the top, violent anime. You like creative freedom, right?

Rule 15 being vague has people upset. It could spread into other things if the activists keep getting what they want. Example?

Paypal/Mastercard/Visa could suddenly say. Ban all violent media on Steam. If Guyver had a game on here, it would be delisted for violence/gore. That would go for any game presenting violence/gore.

Fallout New Vegas? Gone.
Red Dead Redemption 2? Gone.
Doom? Gone.
Devil May Cry 5? Gone.
Get my drift?

You'd just be okay with that? That's what this is about. If you want to be negative, fine, but don't bring it my way. There's nothing wrong with defending creative freedom.

I then invite you to read what valve said. They aren't going to put a game on Steam that keeps them from being able to do business. All this fake outrage and the decision has already been made.

引用自 ManOfCulture：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

I then invite you to read what valve said. They aren't going to put a game on Steam that keeps them from being able to do business. All this fake outrage and the decision has already been made.

No. It hasn't. Rule 15 would of been transparent if it were. The vagueness just confuses and irritates mostly everyone. So let me ask you this.

Where does rule 15 draw the line?

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 ManOfCulture：

No. It hasn't. Rule 15 would of been transparent if it were. The vagueness just confuses and irritates mostly everyone. So let me ask you this.

Where does rule 15 draw the line?

This may shock you but it doesn't matter what I think or you for that matter. This isn't our business, it's Valves' and if they want or need to remove games that would make them unable to do business, they're going to do what they need to do.

引用自 ManOfCulture：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

This may shock you but it doesn't matter what I think or you for that matter. This isn't our business, it's Valves' and if they want or need to remove games that would make them unable to do business, they're going to do what they need to do.

So you can't answer. You don't know what the line is for rule 15, and you don't care. Alrighty then. It's all good eats until payment processors start telling steam to remove things you like.

Things that aren't adult themed. That's twice I've explained this possible outcome to you. If creative freedom isn't important to you, then we have nothing else to talk about.

引用自 Salty Sis' 4U：

Any advice for Canadians? The .gov stuff isn't any good for us.
I really want to scream the financial equivalent of "JUST PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAG" at these bastards... Or at least tell my own government to put pressure on them.

"Can you help me write a letter to PayPal? I want the tone to be formal and firm. The letter is to PayPal's board of directors. The topic is concerning recent restrictions they have imposed on Steam (the gaming platform) forcing certain games to be removed from sale. The games do not include real people. They are fictional, cartoon games and lawful to possess/create/buy. I want PayPal to know that I think their restrictions are illegal. I want them to know that I will make it a permanent part of my political identity to seek out regulations in my country that restrict them, I will seek lawfirms and press the idea to them that PayPal is performing illegal anti-trust actions, and I will seek to promote legal actions that will have them labeled as a monopoly and broken up."

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 Kegfarms：

Post the article where they have commented then.

"We were recently notified that certain games on Steam may violate the rules and standards set forth by our payment processors and their related card networks and banks," a Valve spokesperson told Eurogamer. "As a result, we are retiring those games from being sold on the Steam Store, because loss of payment methods would prevent customers from being able to purchase other titles and game content on Steam."


That's what they've said and it's been posted by numerous gaming publications. It also doesn't matter if you think that's sufficient or not.


There's also the matter of it being in the steamworks documentation.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/gettingstarted/onboarding?language=english#5


The funniest thing about all of this is you guys don't realize the futility of all these topics. The decision has already been made. Valve is not going to jeopardize their business model just for these games. Just like some customers aren't worth keeping, there are games that are not worth keeping either.

引用自 Kegfarms：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

"We were recently notified that certain games on Steam may violate the rules and standards set forth by our payment processors and their related card networks and banks," a Valve spokesperson told Eurogamer. "As a result, we are retiring those games from being sold on the Steam Store, because loss of payment methods would prevent customers from being able to purchase other titles and game content on Steam."


That's what they've said and it's been posted by numerous gaming publications. It also doesn't matter if you think that's sufficient or not.


There's also the matter of it being in the steamworks documentation.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/gettingstarted/onboarding?language=english#5


The funniest thing about all of this is you guys don't realize the futility of all these topics. The decision has already been made. Valve is not going to jeopardize their business model just for these games. Just like some customers aren't worth keeping, there are games that are not worth keeping either.

That's not an official statement, that's the new rule. They have not once acknowledged the controversy itself or the complaints about the removal.

引用自 whole9yard：

引用自 Boblin the Goblin：

See, you're disproving your own "self-defense" point. Good job.

I'm waiting on a single time a game went out and sexually assaulted someone. Just name once.

It's funny that you're defending sexual assault against children, on another thread you supported ladyboys and oppose sex tourism. Hmm, very strange priorities doesn't it?

引用自 yankees992007/IamGOD：

引用自 Boblin the Goblin：

Your claim is that I posted in a thread that was active and then locked during a time I was banned on the forums?

and another post about gun violence, Even though the forum was locked, you brought it up in one of the open forum.

Supporting sexual assault against children has never cross my mind. Steam did the right thing by removing those games from game store.