Yes, it does. It also requires a product key which can only be used once. So the New Vegas copy your brother in law gave you is useless to you.

引用自 Cathulhu：

Yes, it does. It also requires a product key which can only be used once. So the New Vegas copy your brother in law gave you is useless to you.

Oh, lovely. So it's a single-use product that can't be passed on to someone else? Seems like a terrible waste of resources and a bit of a money grab. No second-hand games market any more, is that the direction of travel? Sorry, rant over - thanks for your reply!

引用自 Cathulhu：

Yes, it does. It also requires a product key which can only be used once. So the New Vegas copy your brother in law gave you is useless to you.

^This.

Fallout new Vegas has never been a standalone game on hardcopy it's DRM. So check if key been redeem, if it has been redeem then copy is useless to you, and you have to buy your own copy.

Can use isthereanydeal.com to see if can get a copy for cheap.

It regularly goes on sale for £1.99

引用自 The TX：

引用自 Cathulhu：

Yes, it does. It also requires a product key which can only be used once. So the New Vegas copy your brother in law gave you is useless to you.

Oh, lovely. So it's a single-use product that can't be passed on to someone else? Seems like a terrible waste of resources and a bit of a money grab. No second-hand games market any more, is that the direction of travel? Sorry, rant over - thanks for your reply!

The thing is 2010+ less games are standalone, and most moved to DRM with game keys, some of the hardcopies, don't even come with all the game files at all only portion of it, so yes we been going that way for the past 13 years.

引用自 The TX：

引用自 Cathulhu：

Yes, it does. It also requires a product key which can only be used once. So the New Vegas copy your brother in law gave you is useless to you.

Oh, lovely. So it's a single-use product that can't be passed on to someone else? Seems like a terrible waste of resources and a bit of a money grab. No second-hand games market any more, is that the direction of travel? Sorry, rant over - thanks for your reply!

Um its been this way for like 20 years now so yeah, PC gaming tends to be tied to your account so you can't trade or re-sell games. The flip side is we tend to get games for cheaper and get more sales then on console to make up for it.

it also eliminates the issues of losing a disc, having it break, etc.

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 The TX：

Oh, lovely. So it's a single-use product that can't be passed on to someone else? Seems like a terrible waste of resources and a bit of a money grab. No second-hand games market any more, is that the direction of travel? Sorry, rant over - thanks for your reply!

Um its been this way for like 20 years now so yeah, PC gaming tends to be tied to your account so you can't trade or re-sell games. The flip side is we tend to get games for cheaper and get more sales then on console to make up for it.

it also eliminates the issues of losing a disc, having it break, etc.

How often did you ever break a disc that it was an issue? I played on consoles for over a decade before moving to PC and never once broken a disc

引用自 Reaper：

引用自 brian9824：

Um its been this way for like 20 years now so yeah, PC gaming tends to be tied to your account so you can't trade or re-sell games. The flip side is we tend to get games for cheaper and get more sales then on console to make up for it.

it also eliminates the issues of losing a disc, having it break, etc.

How often did you ever break a disc that it was an issue? I played on consoles for over a decade before moving to PC and never once broken a disc

I've had discs break, lost cd keys, etc. It's not common, but it does happen. Its definitely far easier not having to track thousands of license keys for all my games, making sure I have them all on hand and finding them anytime I want to install a game.

引用自 Reaper：

How often did you ever break a disc that it was an issue? I played on consoles for over a decade before moving to PC and never once broken a disc

CD/DVD has wear and tear that can happen, blu ray are more resilient. If happen to have drop a disk that slide across rough surface, or even drop something on it by accident this can cause damage, now can go buy a disk buffer to remove thin layer, but that only going to work so many times, until no more. On console people wanted to abackup to prevent their original from wear & tear so wouldn't have to worry about damaging original they own, keeping it stored in safe location. Now for digital content well you can always redownload it, I mean there no damage as it digital, only thing need is internet access, or back up game files local.

Do they break often, depends on the person that handing them, for me no, but for few people I know that not really responsible with their disks leaving on tables, and stuff outside their cases, I can say sort of yes.

引用自 Reaper：

引用自 brian9824：

Um its been this way for like 20 years now so yeah, PC gaming tends to be tied to your account so you can't trade or re-sell games. The flip side is we tend to get games for cheaper and get more sales then on console to make up for it.

it also eliminates the issues of losing a disc, having it break, etc.

How often did you ever break a disc that it was an issue? I played on consoles for over a decade before moving to PC and never once broken a disc

i see you've never had younger siblings.

引用自 Hammer Of Evil：

引用自 Reaper：

How often did you ever break a disc that it was an issue? I played on consoles for over a decade before moving to PC and never once broken a disc

i see you've never had younger siblings.

Or kids, one of the few reasons I like digital games for Switch and will actually prefer getting them titles digitally instead of physical copies. I'm amazed we haven't lost my physical copy of minecraft yet....

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 Hammer Of Evil：

i see you've never had younger siblings.

Or kids, one of the few reasons I like digital games for Switch and will actually prefer getting them titles digitally instead of physical copies. I'm amazed we haven't lost my physical copy of minecraft yet....

yup, you could spend years taking grubby fingerprints off your disks, and they'll be there again tomorrow.

i used turtle wax to polish the underside with a bit of paper towel. if the scratches were deep, mr clean magic eraser would take a layer off and maybe make it readable again.

the classic was friends kids coming over, got into some cd's then when told to give it back, the tantrum cd-snap. nothing can be done lol.

引用自 Hammer Of Evil：

引用自 Reaper：

How often did you ever break a disc that it was an issue? I played on consoles for over a decade before moving to PC and never once broken a disc

i see you've never had younger siblings.

Or, been me.

"Ok I'm gonna play this now. Oh there's a disk in the drive. Where did the case go? That's ok, I'll just put it over there for now. Along with that stack of other disks that I was too lazy to put in their case. Oops looks like some fell off the desk. Thats ok I'm sure they're fine,I'ill pick them up after I put this current disk I'm playing away."

lol, bought a copy of ultimate ed for like £2 at a second hand store, thinking it's old enough to not be DRM and scam me like the copy of 4 I snagged did. The retail disc release of 3 can still be bought and installed perfectly fine as long as you remove or get GFWL working. Was hoping that was the case for NV but nope. ♥♥♥♥ consumers, the second hand market and game preservation I guess

引用自 Arcade：

lol, bought a copy of ultimate ed for like £2 at a second hand store, thinking it's old enough to not be DRM and scam me like the copy of 4 I snagged did. The retail disc release of 3 can still be bought and installed perfectly fine as long as you remove or get GFWL working. Was hoping that was the case for NV but nope. ♥♥♥♥ consumers, the second hand market and game preservation I guess :smile_eol:

I wasn't joking what I said years ago, and fun fact you know it DRM when read the case for it, all games that has DRM will say requirement of something in order to use, or redeem.
https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/discussions/forum/0/3833171656672652816/?tscn=1763241277#c3833171656672688444

Whenever buying games you check for logos, and fine print on the box all over it should be front, and bank, or just the back of the case that show all information you need to know before buying. That why you see stuff like require account, or additional software to agree to terms, and services to know it tied to some kind of DRM. My advice look for games OLDER than 2010 as likely come across standalone copies far greater than anything AFTER 2010.

FYI GFWL does works, you need the LATEST version, you CAN'T download LATEST via you hard copy, nor update it from it updater Microsoft removed the server providing that update, that why you need go on PCGamingWiki and download the LAST version of GFWL, install that, don't install OLDER version that comes with hard copy, or steam as the devs refusing to update it to the latest for gods know why.

When install GFWL latest version you run the game as you normally would, login to your Microsoft / Xbox account yes Microsoft owns Xbox they're say company, maybe you know that I meet people that somehow didn't know that for some odd reason, once login on your GFWL in-game, it will ask for key, just put in the key, and it will redeem the key ASSUMING key hasn't been used already that one problem need watch out for when buying 2nd hand games that DRM. Anyways once redeem your game, it be tied to your account, and can get Xbox achievements, and access to xbox features such as messaging, invites just like old days for GFWL. And yes MULITPLAYER on GFWL still works to this day.

Now if happen just want to disable GFWL there is xfire.dll some game devs opt to cop out doing that to keep selling their games, you just drag, and drop that into root of the game, and it will run, just won't have access to GFWL, or it features such as multiplayer for games that has multiplayer like Lost planet, or etc...