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Star Wars - Fully Functional Lightsabers [Deprecated]
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Hades 11. jan. 2018 kl. 18:20
Lightsaber crystal and damage
I shifted this conversation in the comments section... to a discussion.

So I dug into the XML (line 182+ of PJ_items.xml) and the slotted bonuses tags are referring to what might be the wrong variable (MeleeWeapon_DamageMultiplier).

e.g. "This synthesized crystal has been further enhanced, giving it a slightly more MeleeWeapon_DamageMultiplierful blade, and it's trademark red hue."

Maybe it needs a variable the inserts the word "power". I'll keep looking around.

The lightsabers themselves range from no damage multipliers (green, blue, purple etc), through to 28 for the infused red one, to 30-40 for the rare crystals up to 100 for the legendary ones.

It seems to me that these values should be divided by 10 (2.8x, 3x, 10x etc.)... maybe the developer changed some base variable that Jecrell was multiplying against. If you divided by 10, the infused red crystal lightsaber would do around 24 DPS to 160 (based off a basic blue crystal lightsaber doing around 8.5 DPS (poor steel) to 16 DPS (good plasteel).

It would also be good to make the purple crystal into a rare given that Mace Windu wouldn't be using a low quality basic crystal given his reputation.

Just thinking out loud (and not knowing Jecrell's thought process on the damages) maybe these changes are needed:

1. In descriptions, replace "MeleeWeapon_DamageMultiplier" with the word "power".
2. Give all basic color crystals a x2 multipler (so they do around 16 DPS to 32 DPS).
3. Make the purple color crystal an infused version as the Jedi's "version" of the Sith red infused crystal... and give both purple and red color crystals a 3x multiplier.
4. Divide all rare crystal damage multipliers by 10 (e.g. 3.2x, 4x)
5. Divide all legendary crystal damage multiplers by 10 (e.g. 10x)

Thoughts?
Sidst redigeret af Hades; 14. jan. 2018 kl. 0:45
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Betty The Great Magician 13. jan. 2018 kl. 18:08 
I got my ♥♥♥♥ stuck in the ceiling fan, the instructions were unclear.
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Celestite 13. feb. 2018 kl. 18:30 
just a question, where do you obtain these crystal?
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Hades 14. feb. 2018 kl. 2:24 
The basic ones are smelted from chunks...all the other ones can be purchased from traders or drop as rare loot.

But this discussion is about how some crystals are under-powered and others are over-powered.
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Redeye 10. mar. 2018 kl. 9:16 
if anyone has a balanced xml I can replace this mods base modifiers I'll happily take it. Storm this is a good discussion about balance. It's frankly very unbalanced.
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Hades 10. mar. 2018 kl. 16:25 
So far the top tier damage crystals are doing about 40dps in the description.. though with lightsaber offense modifiers I guess that means they would max out at around 100dps.

Still too high maybe? I mean, one or 2 strikes from a lightsaber should kill most people, armoured or not.
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Tal'Raziid 11. mar. 2018 kl. 0:17 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Storm:
So far the top tier damage crystals are doing about 40dps in the description.. though with lightsaber offense modifiers I guess that means they would max out at around 100dps.

Still too high maybe? I mean, one or 2 strikes from a lightsaber should kill most people, armoured or not.
Sometimes my pawns, with very high melee skill, down enemies in 1 or 2 attacks. Which is effective, but i want my battles to last a liiiitle bit longer xD
Although, deflection works amazing with high melee skill (i think skill affects it), for tanking ranged enemies and dealing a bit of damage too
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Tal'Raziid 11. mar. 2018 kl. 0:22 
Also, here's the file path to the file containign the crystal defs: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\workshop\content\294100\918200645\Defs\ThingDefs_Items\PJ_Items.xml
Now, one thing i've noticed is that some of the crystals dont have a damage_multiplier, (Firkrann, Pontite, for instance) as well.
If you ask me, id recommend toning down even some of the advanced crystals clsoer to a 1.5-2.0x modifier
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Redeye 11. mar. 2018 kl. 11:30 
Hey Tal can you help me find the file that modifies the saber glow effect? I'm having FPS issues when I ignite a saber. I need to turn down the glow effect
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Tal'Raziid 11. mar. 2018 kl. 11:50 
Yeah, no problem. Give me a bit, I’ll look around for it
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Tal'Raziid 11. mar. 2018 kl. 12:01 
@Issah
For the record, i'm mostly bashing my face against files looking for keywords, I'm by no means an expert at this.
-<li Class="SWSaber.CompProperties_LightsaberActivatableEffect">
<compClass>SWSaber.CompLightsaberActivatableEffect</compClass>
<altitudeLayer>MoteOverhead</altitudeLayer>
<ActivateLabel>Activate</ActivateLabel>
<uiIconPathActivate>UI/Lightsaber/ActivateSaber</uiIconPathActivate>
<DeactivateLabel>Deactivate</DeactivateLabel>
<uiIconPathDeactivate>UI/Lightsaber/DeactivateSaber</uiIconPathDeactivate>
<activateSound>PJ_LightsaberActivate</activateSound>
<sustainerSound>PJ_LightsaberHum</sustainerSound>
<deactivateSound>PJ_LightsaberDeactivate</deactivateSound>
<gizmosOnEquip>true</gizmosOnEquip>
-<graphicData>
<texPath>Weapons/LightsaberBlade</texPath>
<graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass>
<shaderType>CutoutComplex</shaderType>
</graphicData>
</li>
This is the closest thing ive seen to what id guess is the location for the glow effect. Not sure yet, since i dont what the defs for glowing effects are labeled under.
(file path is: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\294100\918200645\Defs\ThingDefs_WeaponMelee\PJ_Lightsabers.xml)
Sidst redigeret af Tal'Raziid; 11. mar. 2018 kl. 12:01
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Redeye 11. mar. 2018 kl. 12:18 
I'm ripping through the dll for SWSaber using an app called JetBrains dotPeek. I can see all the C# of the glow effect. I'm no C# expert there is alot of code to make the glow. I want to find out how to just turn it off to see if that helps. Curious though are you getting any FPS low when you activate a light saber? I have a gtx 970 and a decent rig, I don't understand why its hurting me. as for the DPS tweaks, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1poiSM7jAlEvDq5fuEsSNwszlSNGmNiW42sp8G3Ujp-Q/edit#gid=0 has his numbers for damage for each crystal, just in case you didn't see it.
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Tal'Raziid 11. mar. 2018 kl. 13:13 
Nah, i dont have any issues with lightsabers causing FPS drops, not even on my crappy old laptop.
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Redeye 11. mar. 2018 kl. 21:00 
I do have like 100 mods enabled. I'll test it with just the SW stuff on to see if it does anything different for me. Good to know its a "me" problem :) helps narrow down whats wrong.
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Tirimor 6. sep. 2020 kl. 5:14 
My only problem is armor pen. They are lightsabers, they are supposed to cut through almost everything. Though different hilts would also be a good thing. We could use the hilts from Fallen Order and even use galen marak's lightsaber hilt. There are plenty of options of hilts out there to be put in the mod.
#14
Jenkem 18. okt. 2020 kl. 15:21 
What does the (-1%) mean under the crystal?
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