Well this is like the Sandman so why not a more dangerous ball

Pros
*If headshot by ball target takes 55 - 110 damage (excluding crits)
*Ball stuns enemys for 15 secs

Cons
*-15% health on user
*+30% vunerability to melee and fire
*takes 15 seconds longer to recharge ball

I'm thinking something like Sandman meets Wrap Assassin halfway with a twist:

+ Hit with Rock inflicts Stun & Bleed, but for a shorter duration than the Sandman's Ball/Wrap Assassin's Bauble do.
+ Rock Damage is equal to Sandman's Ball
+ Faster Rock Recharge
- Slightly Smaller Health Penalty than the Sandman
- Slightly Smaller Damage Penalty for the Stick than the Wrap Assassin
- Marked for Death while Rock is Recharging

-20% bat damage
+15% ball damage

+20% ball damage
+ can hold 2 rocks
+ 25% faster recharge time
+ on hit from rock well make bleed and a mini stun with a 9 seccond marked for death
+ 1 rock instantly recharge from a mini ammo box
+ 2 rocks instantly recharge from a meadium box
- stick breaks if used on heavy and soilder
- stick breaks if gotten a crit or a kill
- 29% damage
- primaly weapon well have -10% capasity
- scout cant be overheald or uberd

+20% damage
launches ball that does 25 damage on hit

on miss: hit yourself stupid

I love this concept! It's clever, but I also think that there is a chance to make this a genuinely great weapon, but everything thus far has been a little sketchy tbh so here's my suggestion.

the Rock-Solid Slugger

Level 100 B.C. Club and Wheel Prototype

"That old saying about sticks and stones never said anything about rocks an' tree branches!" -Scout on Old Age Weaponry

+15% attack speed
+200% max misc. ammo (aka balls erm..stones and that'd be max of 3 stones)
-40% damage melee damage
-10-20% misc. damage
(also a slightly smaller melee range)

STATS

50% less damage
25% faster melee speed
10% faster weapon switch
rock does 15 damage and does bonk for 3 seconds
10% chance to make victim bleed for 3 seconds.

tbh Valve would add this as a reskin if they ever did.

its a stone. its a stick. what did you expect?
"sticks and stones have broke my bones..." Spy before being brutally bashed down
well! because its just a stick and not an aluminium bat it has a 75% chance to break if you crit or minicrit. because you are packing so much force that your stick cannot hold.
but on the bright side. because it also has a rock the rock would do some damage
anyway. it would do 45 damage and stun for the normal sandman duration.
but if you somehow land a headshot it will do crit damage (135 to be precise) and stun the target for 10 seconds. (dont try this. this is tf2. but if you got a stone thrown at your face at a fast speed your skull would be CRACKED)
i think this seems fair. because the stick has a chance to break off it seems to give you a HUGE downside in melee combat. but if you score a headshot then you can finish them off (excluding heavies)
"A stick? dont you bring a stick to a gun fi-*gets hit by a stone in the forehead and falls over dead* You just shattered that guys skull! get away from- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!! *gets bashed down* Come on,fight me b- *scout suddenly launches a rock that just completely shatters heavy's skull* *heavy falls dead*" Last painful moments of soldier,sniper and heavy.
"Yea ragequit. come on make us both happy." Scout after shattering a heavies skull
too op? if yes let me know

australium black box původně napsal:

its a stone. its a stick. what did you expect?
"sticks and stones have broke my bones..." Spy before being brutally bashed down
well! because its just a stick and not an aluminium bat it has a 75% chance to break if you crit or minicrit. because you are packing so much force that your stick cannot hold.
but on the bright side. because it also has a rock the rock would do some damage
anyway. it would do 45 damage and stun for the normal sandman duration.
but if you somehow land a headshot it will do crit damage (135 to be precise) and stun the target for 10 seconds. (dont try this. this is tf2. but if you got a stone thrown at your face at a fast speed your skull would be CRACKED)
i think this seems fair. because the stick has a chance to break off it seems to give you a HUGE downside in melee combat. but if you score a headshot then you can finish them off (excluding heavies)
"A stick? dont you bring a stick to a gun fi-*gets hit by a stone in the forehead and falls over dead* You just shattered that guys skull! get away from- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!! *gets bashed down* Come on,fight me b- *scout suddenly launches a rock that just completely shatters heavy's skull* *heavy falls dead*" Last painful moments of soldier,sniper and heavy.
"Yea ragequit. come on make us both happy." Scout after shattering a heavies skull
too op? if yes let me know

I-... You know what, I've seen you multiple times on discussions, I don't even think your ideas are worth criticizing.

HaX původně napsal:

australium black box původně napsal:

its a stone. its a stick. what did you expect?
"sticks and stones have broke my bones..." Spy before being brutally bashed down
well! because its just a stick and not an aluminium bat it has a 75% chance to break if you crit or minicrit. because you are packing so much force that your stick cannot hold.
but on the bright side. because it also has a rock the rock would do some damage
anyway. it would do 45 damage and stun for the normal sandman duration.
but if you somehow land a headshot it will do crit damage (135 to be precise) and stun the target for 10 seconds. (dont try this. this is tf2. but if you got a stone thrown at your face at a fast speed your skull would be CRACKED)
i think this seems fair. because the stick has a chance to break off it seems to give you a HUGE downside in melee combat. but if you score a headshot then you can finish them off (excluding heavies)
"A stick? dont you bring a stick to a gun fi-*gets hit by a stone in the forehead and falls over dead* You just shattered that guys skull! get away from- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!! *gets bashed down* Come on,fight me b- *scout suddenly launches a rock that just completely shatters heavy's skull* *heavy falls dead*" Last painful moments of soldier,sniper and heavy.
"Yea ragequit. come on make us both happy." Scout after shattering a heavies skull
too op? if yes let me know

I-... You know what, I've seen you multiple times on discussions, I don't even think your ideas are worth criticizing.

welp. im ♥♥♥♥♥♥. i just give up.

• +70% ball damage
  
• Ball marks enemy for death for 4 seconds

• -40% melee damage
  
• No random critical hits

also add Jungle to its tags, just to make sure

Papɛя původně napsal:

Pros

• +70% ball damage
  
• Ball marks enemy for death for 4 seconds

Cons

• -40% melee damage
  
• No random critical hits

I'm assuming there's no stunning ability for the stone.
Not bad as a start, but it could use some more positives to make it more relevant.