Skeletal archers are only usable at early stages, unlike all other missile units from other races they dont get any missile buffs like range, ammo, reload or damage via skills or techs. So almost all other missile units outmatch them when they get some of those.

Fair enough as I didn't realize there is no upgrade path for the Skeletal Archers, they just suck to go against very early game that I'll have to build or stratagize around as Vampire Counts love pumping out quite a few of them, especially early game. I will look to cavalry as a way around this. I appreciate your response

Although I agree and understand that they're only usable at the early stage, it makes 'no sense' that they have better range than even empire handgunners. At least they should have been given with shorter range. It becomes clearly a major problem when you play above VH in campaign difficulty where AI can spam things. You don't get reliable cav and whatnot to make them all rout or be killed in the early stage of the game, whereas they can just spam archers and call it a day. And I mean, seriously, it doesn't make any sense like I've told already. A raise-dead skeleton being more capable in shooting things, than humans having practiced throughout their life for shooting something, is nonsense. I want their range to be nerfed to 135 or 140. This way VC will retain its ranged combat capability needed in the early stage, without making them too overpowered and 'nonsense' even when spammed. Not to even mention how cost efficient they are, considering the fact that these skeleton archers have more numbers, better range, and almost the same base damage as their counterparts. It's crazy.

I will take a look at their range if we can reduce it a bit without hurting their early potential too much.

Thank you, I've been enjoying your overhaul mods since Rome 2, I sincerely thank you for keeping up the good work!

Publicado originalmente por Radious:

I will take a look at their range if we can reduce it a bit without hurting their early potential too much.

i'm of the same position that the skeleton archers shouldn't be better then empires. shorter range, less accurate and slower to fire are all things i would find normal in an skeleton archer trash unit which is should be(also less ammo since they can't carry a lot). With the amount of trash units they field to hold your line in place, you are forced to get cav. better archers and cheap units to hold units in place is not fair compared to the identity of the faction.

Skeleton Archers unlike anyone elses gets worse more you progress the game. They dont have any skill/tech buffs which would improve their ammo, missile damage, range etc.

Publicado originalmente por Valyus:

I'm playing as Empire against the Undead and I do agree that the Undead needed something as a ranged, some trash archers and whatnot. But I think the Skeletal Archers are a bit overpowered. Here is what I found:

This is all going to be compared to Empire Archers:

If all hits connect for Archers - 1980 damage
If all hits connect for Skeletal Archers - 2160
Have higher armor piercing melee (higher unit count = more efficient in melee)
Has +1 in Armor Piercing ranged
Have -1 Melee Attack
Has 25 (+3) Melee Defense
Has Strength of 25 (+1) in weapon damage
Has 160 range (+20)
Archers have 90 Troops while Skeletal Archers have 120
They crumble (imo is better than running away)

Undead shouldn't get better Archers than the Empire is my argument. They are primarily a melee focused faction but giving them these really, in my opinion, overpowered archers it makes it not fun to go against. My fix is, nerf their range or have them do significantly less damage as their unit count easily makes up for it, especially due to the Undead's replenishment rate, that should be the only thing truly going for them.

Their AP damage is unreasonable for a trash unit that isn't ork laborers.

Publicado originalmente por Radious:

Skeleton Archers unlike anyone elses gets worse more you progress the game. They dont have any skill/tech buffs which would improve their ammo, missile damage, range etc.

This is definitely a fair point, but it doesn't make them any less oppressive early game.

Publicado originalmente por ChickenMan:

i'm of the same position that the skeleton archers shouldn't be better then empires. shorter range, less accurate and slower to fire are all things i would find normal in an skeleton archer trash unit which is should be(also less ammo since they can't carry a lot). With the amount of trash units they field to hold your line in place, you are forced to get cav. better archers and cheap units to hold units in place is not fair compared to the identity of the faction.

Real