If you have any thoughts about the future Tr Characters(Tr Cain,Tr Judas,etc.),you can put them here.

Maybe for Tarnished Eden, you reroll your build every few seconds or whenever you enter a new room, but have some sort of pocket item that prevents it, or you have the ability to select one item to keep

My thought for Tarnished Lost:
Unlock Method:Clear 3 floors in total without using any holy cards
Even Better Items(Positive Perk):Items with qualities of 0-1 are passively rerolled.
No Holy Cards(Negative Perk):Holy Cards will passively be replaced by other cards
Birthright effect("Extra Life x2"):Since Tarnished Lost can die more easily than Tainted Lost,Birthright gives Tr Lost 2 extra lives.

we really need to see inspiration from the tainted-tainted characters designs on reddit

引用自 Yeastiest：

we really need to see inspiration from the tainted-tainted characters designs on reddit

that would be amazing

Tarnished Judas:

-Scitzophrenia
-Neverending Madness
-Mental Trauma
-Dead Lamb


Unlock : Slay 20 Enemies in one Dark arts Slash with tainted Judas


-Scitzophrenia :
-Has a 20 Percent Chance to replace any enemy in the room with a low health Shady
-Low Health , Not Moving Shadys (Hallucinations) sometimes Spawn at random but cant attack nor harm the player in any way wich means they are just blocking vision.
-Halluccinations are more common to appear behind you when entering a room than anywhere else


-Neverending Madness:
-When TR Judas Gets hit he has a small (5%) Chance to Go into a Dark arts attack that lasts twice as long as normal dark arts

-Mental Trauma:
-when an item is Picked up it will vanish and reapper anwhere on the floor to be picked up.This only happens when the item is in a Library,Item Room,Secret Room or Super secret room.



-Dead Lamb : "Feel Your Mind Burst"

Active Item (2 Room Charge)

When Activated , All Shadys in the room Will Turn into Red Ghosts and attack enemies for the player.
When held by an other character the effects off scitzophrenia are granted but only the low health shadys not the hallucinations.


Door Design + Character Design



-Door:

-Shady Faces In Background
-Dark Arts Stuck in it

-Character :

-Dark Arts Stuck In his Chest
-Side of Body Cut in
-Eyes Criying Blood


Update 1 :
Fixes and an Addition To Dead Lamb

-Fix 1 : Bosses Cant Be turned into Shadys But therefore it is more common for hallucinations to spawn in a boss room or boss spawned enemys to be replaced with shadys

-Fix 2:
Hallucinations that randomly spawn cannot be turned into Red Ghosts

Fix 3:
Dead Lamb has a 2 Room Charge

-Dead Lamb is unlockable by Beating Delirium With TR Judas
and when piced up by any Character they will Get the Scitzophrenia Ability

To Make this Caracter More special i added the "Perk" Mental Trauma

Any new ideas are welcome :D

heres a thought for tarnished cain, i like how cain is normally one of if not the best character for getting recources and his tainted version exemplifies this fact, so how about this: no items, they burst into rescources like tainted cain, however he has a money = power effect for all rescources. money of course increasing dammage, keys granting tears, and bombs granting small boosts to all stats, and upon collecting x ammount of excess hearts (i dunno what would be balanced) he gets a permanant heart container, aditionally he gets the deep pockets effect of being able to hold 999 coins but for all rescourses

My thought about a Tarnished version of a Modded Character:
https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2508822241

He is a necromancer with a Mace made of bones & rotten guts.

Collect 30 soul hearts in one run as Tainted Cadaver

Main Weapon:Similar to what the Forgotten uses,but it is bigger due to Cadaver's fixed fire rate gimmick.

Active(Pocket Slot):Upon use,the player's melee weapon performs a straight crack wave attack.

Negative Perk:Like Tainted Cadaver,Tarnished Cadaver can only keep 4 rotten-filled bone hearts. But be careful,taking rotten heart damage has a rare chance to remove a bone heart!

Positive Perk:Certain hearts that Cadaver collects will spawn friendly enemies.

Soul:Normal critters
Dark:Demonic Critters
Eternal:Holy Critters
Gold:Greed-based critters
Bone:Skeleton-like critters
Broken:When entering a hostile room,it can spawn a Tainted Critter(Tainted Boom fly,Tainted Sucker,Eeleech,etc.)

引用自 twiggy041976：

heres a thought for tarnished cain, i like how cain is normally one of if not the best character for getting recources and his tainted version exemplifies this fact, so how about this: no items, they burst into rescources like tainted cain, however he has a money = power effect for all rescources. money of course increasing dammage, keys granting tears, and bombs granting small boosts to all stats, and upon collecting x ammount of excess hearts (i dunno what would be balanced) he gets a permanant heart container, aditionally he gets the deep pockets effect of being able to hold 999 coins but for all rescourses

I love this one but wouldn't runs get super repetitive after a certain point?

Tarnished Apollyon: Unlocked by voiding at least 15 items on a run (15 because you can void multiple items at once like in angel deals and stuff, but 15 might not be big enough of a number)

He'd start with a different pocket active version of Void called Oblivion that activates whenever he touches an item, basically voiding it but giving him random stat ups and possibly different effects relating to the items he touches, but they aren't exactly the items he touches, like collecting like, Sacred Heart for example would only give you a 1.2x damage multiplier and weaker homing. You can of course activate Oblivion on your own to just get better stat ups at the cost of not gaining any special effects from certain items.
Also Oblivion could be used on consumables on the ground to turn them into random locusts.

In terms of appearance I think it'd by like normal Tainted Apollyon, but his face is completely gone and just replaced with the Abyss inside of his head, as well as multiple segments of his body having cracks or fractures, exposing more of the abyss within him.

But yeah, that's just my idea for Tarnished Apollyon.

One thing I forgot to mention is that he also would be able to collect consumables normally, but at the cost of a 50% chance to Oblivion them, turning them into locusts.

引用自 Cosmic：

引用自 twiggy041976：

heres a thought for tarnished cain, i like how cain is normally one of if not the best character for getting recources and his tainted version exemplifies this fact, so how about this: no items, they burst into rescources like tainted cain, however he has a money = power effect for all rescources. money of course increasing dammage, keys granting tears, and bombs granting small boosts to all stats, and upon collecting x ammount of excess hearts (i dunno what would be balanced) he gets a permanant heart container, aditionally he gets the deep pockets effect of being able to hold 999 coins but for all rescourses

I love this one but wouldn't runs get super repetitive after a certain point?

ah right you are, i didnt really think of that, i mainly was thinking that i wanted a thing that had something like tainted cain's gimmik but more, but i also didnt want something that took 9 years to get to caves 1, so perhapse something slightly different? perhapse whenever he collects a golden key or bomb he gets a random item from the devil pool (bomb) or angel pool (key), and maybe shops for him are simmalar to tainted keeper shops? just throwing out ideas here so if anyone has somethin better then thats neat

tarnished lilith: starts without familiars and can actually shoot, innately has the effect of adoption papers,but maybe it applies to all item pools? also starts with cambion conception (maybe immaculate conception if ya feelin spicy) and a pocket active item called filicide, which is a 6 charge item (goin with 6 cause that seems fair to me but idfk) and is basically reusable sacrificial alter but takes from the room's item pool, fairly boring but i thought it would be good for the mother of demons as filicide is the murder of your own child. however another route it could go is you start with one of the really weak babies (i dont know which one but pick 1 of brother bobby, sister maggy, mongo baby, and rainbow baby) and her pocket active item is a 12 charge item that acts as blank rune + soul of lilith, maybe with an added gello for the floor but idk

引用自 General Grievous：

Tarnished Judas:

-Scitzophrenia
-Neverending Madness
-Dead Lamb


Unlock : Slay 20 Enemies in one Dark arts Slash with tainted Judas


-Scitzophrenia :
-Has a 20 Percent Chance to replace any enemy in the room with a low health Shady (Hallucination)
-Low Health , Not Moving Shadys (Hallucinations) sometimes Spawn at random but cant attack nor harm the player in any way


-Neverending Madness:
-When TR Judas Gets hit he has a small (5%) Chance to Go into a Dark arts attack that lasts twice as long as normal dark arts

-Dead Lamb :

Active Item (3 Room Charge)

When Activated , All Shadys (Hallucinations) in the room Will Turn into Red Ghosts and attack enemies for the player.



I hope this is a good idea i can make more if you want me to :D .


Have a great day

Update 1 :
Door Design + Character Design



-Door:

-Shady Faces In Background
-Dark Arts Stuck in it

-Character :

-Dark Arts Stuck In his Chest
-Side of Body Cut in
-Eyes Criying Blood

the concept alone is good but i feel it should have some way of creating shadys on its own, otherwise you're kinda gimmikless other than neverending madness on bosses that dont spawn ♥♥♥♥

Playtester here, as seen in the credits page
sorry to burst your bubble a bit, but uh, we already have them planned out.

引用自 Edgybubblegum：

Playtester here, as seen in the credits page
sorry to burst your bubble a bit, but uh, we already have them planned out.

Oh,ok