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Crown
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JooN 2014 年 3 月 23 日 上午 9:00
Modifications this map needs
Hi,

First of all, congratulations for this map, it feels really great, and I'm glad that there are people motivated to introduce brand new maps for the competitive mode.

However, I feel like there are some modifications needed on this map to make it more viable.

First, as someone from the community suggested, I think it would be a good idea to add one more way for CTs to rotate. It could be a link between B site to the mid-A area. See the screens below for more details :

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/12/1395367906-crown2.jpg
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/12/1395367862-crown1.jpg

I like crown1.jpg better.

Also, I think the double door on A is simply a death trap for Ts and rotating CTs. Only one person can get through at a time, and the rest of them can be killed through the door in the meantime.

The 4 seconds delay on the B door is too much in my opinion, it gives the side which takes a risk no chance if they pick wrong. 1 second should be enough.

The stables seem to be too much as far as hiding spots are concerned. At least I would not let so much room in it.

Hopefully you can get something out of this feedback. I'd really like de_crown to be accepted by leagues and tournaments in the future.

Keep up the good work.

最后由 JooN 编辑于; 2014 年 3 月 23 日 下午 2:16
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ALBOT123 2014 年 3 月 23 日 下午 1:44 
i love crown and i like the second listed pic aka as crown1.jpg as the route better though in the map i believe its just not a normal way it would only be used for rotations or sneak attacks farther into the round im guessing
#1
JooN 2014 年 3 月 23 日 下午 2:09 
引用自 albot123enator：
i love crown and i like the second listed pic aka as crown1.jpg as the route better though in the map i believe its just not a normal way it would only be used for rotations or sneak attacks farther into the round im guessing

Yeah that's the idea, it offers more rotation possibilities for CTs, and Ts can change the angle of their attacks as well, even if it's more risky for them, since it's far in the enemy lines.
#2
FMPONE  [开发者] 2014 年 3 月 24 日 上午 12:24 
Thanks for the feedback, although I can say I don't think we have any interest in adding a middle route.

We would prefer if people adapted to the challenges of Crown, instead of simply turning the map something people are already familiar with.
最后由 FMPONE 编辑于; 2014 年 3 月 24 日 上午 12:29
#3
cosmo 2014 年 3 月 24 日 上午 10:03 
Graphic wise the map is absolutely stunning. Congratulations! but as many people said - the rotation A<->B is taking a bit too long...
I compared it to dust2 and it takes about twice the time for the rotation.

Dust2 A<->B ~10-11s
Crown A<->B ~20s

Also I'am asking myself if crown gets any "Pro-Player" feedback... would be nice to share some infos with the community.
最后由 cosmo 编辑于; 2014 年 3 月 24 日 上午 10:04
#4
scavvvInPaJaMaS_ 2014 年 3 月 24 日 下午 12:23 
I personally haven't play it however I can tell you from playing competively in the past 20S from site to site is FAR too long.
#5
Arthrītis 2014 年 3 月 24 日 下午 12:40 
I like the way that map is. It makes gameplay more challenging and skill requiring.
#6
76561197966603863 2014 年 3 月 24 日 下午 1:52 
nasj
#7
No 2014 年 3 月 24 日 下午 3:00 
Ya'll are asking for a middle, but they puposefully did not add one. They wanted a map that was different and not just the same with slightly different layout.
#8
JooN 2014 年 3 月 24 日 下午 6:52 
引用自 No：
Ya'll are asking for a middle, but they puposefully did not add one. They wanted a map that was different and not just the same with slightly different layout.

It's not a middle, it's more like a side way. And believe me, this map is already very different from what was made before, with or without a decent rotation time.

引用自 ph1：
Also I'am asking myself if crown gets any "Pro-Player" feedback... would be nice to share some infos with the community.

I'd also like to know more about that as well.

引用自 FMPONE maaaanly man：
Thanks for the feedback, although I can say I don't think we have any interest in adding a middle route.

We would prefer if people adapted to the challenges of Crown, instead of simply turning the map something people are already familiar with.

I already understood what you tried to achieve with this map, however I'm afraid you're asking too many changes at a time. I think it would be wiser to put some water in your wine so that the map gets accepted by the community. I really like de_crown but I'm afraid that asking the players to completely change the way they play the game will only hurt the map's popularity in the end. I believe the goal is for the map to be as popular as de_dust2 and de_inferno isn't it?

Anyway, good luck, I really hope it'll work out.
最后由 JooN 编辑于; 2014 年 3 月 24 日 下午 6:52
#9
FMPONE  [开发者] 2014 年 3 月 25 日 上午 8:06 
It's a valid concern and I appreciate your mentality and well-spokenness on the topic. That said, the fact that I so enjoy the map the way it currently is, makes changes uncertain. Thank you again. Let's talk again soon.
最后由 FMPONE 编辑于; 2014 年 3 月 25 日 上午 8:06
#10
casualPat 2014 年 3 月 25 日 上午 8:35 
I would like to see this map in the future operatins as it is. If there will show up a need to change things then so shal it be. How ever I really like the idea to have something different that we have used to play.

I think that CT-side has already good places to hold positions and allowing them to be more mobile would change the balance of the map far too CT-sided. I like the idea that if T-side get's the plant - agains odds - CTs are severelly punished with long rotations. Also succesful fakes will have far greater impact into the income, which is also nice.

If it will come to the modifications, please atleast do not make a direct link between bombsites, like in picture "crown1". "crown2" is more acceptable.
#11
Big Brian 2014 年 3 月 30 日 上午 8:27 
I agree that barn needs to go.
I think that vents should be taken out because i find that a llittle to easy for CT snipers to just flank around and catch Terrorists off guard and vice versa if a smoke is thrown. To fix this yu could make a passage in Underpass going into the bombsite. I know that there is that wooden plank there to jump onto Overpass bu new players wouldnt know about it. Other than that i believe this map will be played in the actual Competitive leagues (As long as vent is taken out). If you do take out you might even want to just move it up a bit so that Terrorists could have al ine of sight on it when they come through Catwalk/Middle. These r my only concerns on the map, keep up the good work!

最后由 Big Brian 编辑于; 2014 年 3 月 30 日 上午 8:28
#12
merk 2014 年 4 月 8 日 下午 7:06 
i have to agree with the developer, people need to learn to adapt and welcome change. We don't need super quickfast rotations, isn't the timer already 45 seconds? That is a lot of time.
最后由 merk 编辑于; 2014 年 4 月 8 日 下午 7:07
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anatoly 2014 年 9 月 5 日 下午 6:04 
CEngineTrace::ClipRayToVPhysics : no model; bbox {0,0,0}-{0,0,0}


why the constant console spam every round - what is this can you please please fix it!?
#14
🕊 2014 年 10 月 4 日 上午 7:14 
i had similiar feelings about this map. the door at top B should be changed bc youre just way out in the open. and Ts have a very hard time rotating. they almost have to stick to a bomb site, which makes the map heavily ct sided. and i think we have enough of ct maps, especially as you speak of something new the people can adapt to.
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