Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

-BT Addon: Heresy!
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melli_moo  [开发者] 2020 年 1 月 9 日 上午 6:07
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✡Shmuel✡ 2020 年 1 月 9 日 上午 7:35 
I looked at Cathar in the files, and you commented out female generals or increased female advisors, why?
melli_moo  [开发者] 2020 年 1 月 9 日 上午 8:41 
引用自 ✡Sam✡
I looked at Cathar in the files, and you commented out female generals or increased female advisors, why?
Honestly, the only real reason was to decrease clutter in the interface. Neither of those modifiers make any real difference aside from a little bit of diversity, I guess, and since their effects are still random I figured it was alright if I commented them out to preserve the rule of 2 modifiers/religion.

EDIT: After some testing, it appears that if the female advisor chance is un-commented, it appears as the second modifier instead of the +2 tolerance of the true faith on the conversion screen, and I don't think there's any way to chance the order that the modifiers appear in.
最后由 melli_moo 编辑于; 2020 年 1 月 9 日 上午 8:51
Krimpski 2020 年 1 月 9 日 下午 5:15 
you should also add Hussite, Anabaptist, maybe a way of reviving Nestorian, Miaphysite would be neat though the last to might not be your thing since you said you want to focus on catholic heresies.
Argakyan 2020 年 1 月 10 日 上午 10:25 
引用自 neothiamin
引用自 ✡Sam✡
I looked at Cathar in the files, and you commented out female generals or increased female advisors, why?
Honestly, the only real reason was to decrease clutter in the interface. Neither of those modifiers make any real difference aside from a little bit of diversity, I guess, and since their effects are still random I figured it was alright if I commented them out to preserve the rule of 2 modifiers/religion.

EDIT: After some testing, it appears that if the female advisor chance is un-commented, it appears as the second modifier instead of the +2 tolerance of the true faith on the conversion screen, and I don't think there's any way to chance the order that the modifiers appear in.

I randomly decided to google Cathars now and at least wikipedia writes one of the things they were demonized with was "Frauenfreunde" (Friends of women). Both men and women could become priests. Women could become deacons under cathars. The english version of the wikipedia article says that women were given great opportunities. Men could be reincarnated as women too until they rejected the material world. etc
Women were not completely equal, but under catharism wiki writes they had an instrumental role.
最后由 Argakyan 编辑于; 2020 年 1 月 10 日 上午 10:26
melli_moo  [开发者] 2020 年 1 月 10 日 下午 4:31 
引用自 Argacyan
引用自 neothiamin
Honestly, the only real reason was to decrease clutter in the interface. Neither of those modifiers make any real difference aside from a little bit of diversity, I guess, and since their effects are still random I figured it was alright if I commented them out to preserve the rule of 2 modifiers/religion.

EDIT: After some testing, it appears that if the female advisor chance is un-commented, it appears as the second modifier instead of the +2 tolerance of the true faith on the conversion screen, and I don't think there's any way to chance the order that the modifiers appear in.

I randomly decided to google Cathars now and at least wikipedia writes one of the things they were demonized with was "Frauenfreunde" (Friends of women). Both men and women could become priests. Women could become deacons under cathars. The english version of the wikipedia article says that women were given great opportunities. Men could be reincarnated as women too until they rejected the material world. etc
Women were not completely equal, but under catharism wiki writes they had an instrumental role.
I'm not denying any of that, all I was saying was that I don't think the modifiers matter enough to warrant keeping them and clogging the conversion screen.

To clarify, by "random" I meant you can't decide if your advisor/general is female upon their creation. The effect is random - it's a dice roll, effectively. I did not mean that the effect was "random" as in unwarranted or baseless, I meant "random" as in literally random.
最后由 melli_moo 编辑于; 2020 年 1 月 10 日 下午 4:47
2Pac Alive in Serbia 2020 年 1 月 12 日 上午 8:33 
Are the heresies only planned for Catholic/Christian faiths? If you plan to add more heresies overall, I feel like it would be fun to add most of the heresies from CK2.
melli_moo  [开发者] 2020 年 1 月 12 日 上午 9:11 
引用自 Uni
Are the heresies only planned for Catholic/Christian faiths? If you plan to add more heresies overall, I feel like it would be fun to add most of the heresies from CK2.
For now, I'm only planning on adding Catholic heresies. In the future I may expand to other heresies/sects, but I can't make any promises right now.
Argakyan 2020 年 1 月 12 日 上午 9:16 
引用自 Uni
Are the heresies only planned for Catholic/Christian faiths? If you plan to add more heresies overall, I feel like it would be fun to add most of the heresies from CK2.

If you want a lot of different sects etc there's still Anmaril's Religion Extender for now. It's not created to be a BT submod, but spare tradegood icons still works. The only drawback is any country can change religions (meaning for instance AI Ottomans flip to orthodox in 1444 because they start with a lot of orthodox provinces).

For now at least that mod might be what you're looking for, spare existing issues.
Argakyan 2020 年 2 月 17 日 上午 9:51 
A suggestion about flavour for cathars that come to mind would be that there could be some decision or event about the old cathar castles. Maybe something about restoration or a dilemma choosing between an entrenched catharism that gives some castles and some military buff on one side, and an open catharism with +1 tolerance and some other buff. There could even be a reform events chain.
VLindemann 2020 年 2 月 18 日 上午 4:33 
Alevism for muslims ples ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism
melli_moo  [开发者] 2020 年 2 月 18 日 上午 4:48 
引用自 Argacyan
A suggestion about flavour for cathars that come to mind would be that there could be some decision or event about the old cathar castles. Maybe something about restoration or a dilemma choosing between an entrenched catharism that gives some castles and some military buff on one side, and an open catharism with +1 tolerance and some other buff. There could even be a reform events chain.
I was actually thinking about something similar to this, happy to see I'm not the only one who thought of it! Will put on the to-do list.

引用自 VLindemann
Alevism for muslims ples ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism
Will look into this more. Thank you for reminding me!
PenguBoy 2020 年 4 月 2 日 上午 9:43 
Here are the suggestions I have for the way the Heresies Spawn.

So to make them more similar to the Reformation:

Upon enacting the respective decision,after the set period of time, a european province gets chosen to spawn a CoR. While any province can technically be chosen, the provinces in the area where the hersies historically existed are weighted higher (similar to how the protestant reformation is weighted higher to trigger in germanic or british provinces and less likely in iberian or latin provinces). And afterwards the Heresies would behave similar to the Protestant Faith or the Reformed, as in the first 2 nations that convert to the new faith can spwn a CoR.

This way the new religions blend in better with the protestant and reformed. Additionally, to represent the fact that those beliefs weren't nearly a big of a deal as protestant or reformed, the could only get 1 additional CoR beyond the first one.
Smartguy725 2020 年 5 月 4 日 下午 4:43 
Considering both were fairly iconoclastic, Iconoclast as an Orthodox heresy should use ferver

Nestorian should rise the holy sites mechanic that coptic/miaphysite does

I think Monothelite was an attempt at a Chalcenodian/Miaphysite reconciliation, but I'm not sure how accurate that is or how it could work

Bogomil, Paulician, and Cathar are all gnostic-influenced, like Michaeism, so they could use similar mechanics
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