Hello. I dont know why I cant write under your mod. I hope you will not mind?
Im really like the idea to make trolls more useable in game. Because usually they are waste of money and its very sad, espessialy for the troll's king.
I wanted to ask you offer to you some ideas. Hope you will notice them =).
1) Is there possible to make some "elite" troll's units? Like guards of Throg. Because trolls usually have low leadership and maybe at least some of them will not leave battlefield too soon =)
2) Can you make any possibility to take that trolls for Wulfrick? I mean for example, if he wins Trog, or something else. I just want to be able to have these units from Wulfric. Even if that will challenge, I think to make a way for it will be great!
3) Can we buy more ROR trolls? Maybe future ROR trolls units or TBA which we can already buy, what do you think?
4) Can you make more trolls?) I have idead for example - like Trolls of Nurgle (they will be really best =D), trolls of Chorn and other things like that. Im dont sure how lore it is, but Id be glad to have such units in my army.
After all its just my thoughts and just hope we can speak toghether. Thanks for the mod =)

Hey. Thanks for your suggestions and weird that you couldnt post it in the comment section, but no worries. I found it :).

So for your ideas:
1) Yes I could make such trolls - raising the moral value is not difficult to do from a modding perspective - but I have to be careful not to produce something unbalanced. Trolls bring actually fairly good strength to the table - for their cost - and can cause suprising damage if they aren't focused down or scared off. So far I gave them all the standard low morale since it seems to be the troll gimmick, at least in total war.

2)The idea sounds awesome. I have no idea how to do it, but i think there is a mod out there that does something similar when you beat Archeon as Norsca. So if I can figure out how that is done...then maybe. No promises though.

3&4) These lead in a kind of connected problem for me, so I'll answer them togheter: It is difficult to make a lot of other trolls that look really different. There is a very limited amount of assets & animation for trolls that i can use. That means I am running out of possible combinations fast and almost all that's left are reskins. That being said, I have a few ideas left to try. If they work, there will be a couple more troll units coming and at least 1 of those ideas is a RoR.

Thanks, nice to speak with you and for that topic)

1) Yeah, I understand. I belive you know about trolls balance more then me). Just look for improving of your mod more =)
2) Then I and I belive another people will hope on your masterpiece. It will be awesome to see Wulfrick and Throg among army of mods trolls)
3&4) Yes, I understand. Then hope new ideas will come soon. And for 3 offer - Can we for example keep 3 ROR squad in our faction? 1 just too small, as for me of course =)
Thank you for mod again). Make fun to do it =)

P.S. Oh, one more. Can we buy ROR trolls in game (I cannot find them)? There was a message that I open them, but I dont see them at ROR units. And what do you think if we replaced one of the building of Throg settlements onto troll's cave? (its just suggestion). Also, is that normal - that armored ice trolls have smaller HP then usual ice trolls? I know, it maybe balance, but can you explain it (all stats of ice trolls higher the armored, except armor of course)?
And one more, your river trolls have ice breath - is that normal?

What will you say about it?

Hey sorry, didnt see you edited your comment. If you have something new to say, please always make a new comment. I don't get a notification if you edit an old comment.

1)The RoR unit is recruited from the landmark building in Erengrad (personal preference, i like the idea to reward people with RoRs for landmarks).

2) I think you mean the starting building? I would love to do that, but I dont really want to edit the startpos file (because that is a pandoras box leading to incompatibilities) and all my attempts to do it with scripting failed. If i find a way to do it without messing with the startpos file, then sure.

3)I just double checked, and armoured ice trolls have better armor and melee defence than the normal ice trolls. Everything else is the same. You probably have a mod activated that makes normal ice trolls better, and since i balanced mine based on the unmodded version the armoured trolls now appear weaker for you.

4) The breath animation and particle effect are tied into the animation, sadly. And since i used throggs model as base for the rivertrolls, i had to use throggs animation (no other troll animation works with his model because of the cape) and therefore the ice breath. I would have preferred the vomit effect too.

It was new comment, but its ok, thank you for answer =)

1) Oh, thanks. Then I will take Erengrad! Deus Throgg!
2) Yeah, its true, I know what you mean), then I think its not too matter)
3) Oh, yes, sorry for my foolishness. I forgot that mods can edit units and of course they can change their balance and that why your trolls could be worse then normal. Then its my problem, but thanks for answer =)
4) Yes, I just noticed it and decided write it to you. Then its not too matter too for us =)

Hope we really can see troll lord from you. Im just was suprised that there is no monster lord for Throgg, I mean... He is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TROLL, where is his monster lords?! But probably you will change that situation). Wish you good luck with mod, thank you. I probably will be wait for a newest version before start the campagin. Want to see new units and maybe Wulfrick which can used them too.

I think you should lower the Troll Lord's melee attack and defence by 5, to 50 attack and 40 defence.

Because I was looking at some of the upgrades and all, and it seems like they could be possibly more powerful than Throgg and kind of overpowered, even for a super upgraded monster lord.

Since he starts off with strictly worse stats (except armor and speed I think) than Throgg and goes down pretty much the same self-improvement tree as Throgg himself, I guess you mean the food/blood skills? You did notice that they lock each other, meaning you can only have one of the food and one of the blood skills? I also don't mind the Troll Lord performing better in battle as long as Throgg remains the strictly better leader.

That being said I will probably rebalance the blood and food skills with the next update. I don't really think that the baseline stats of the Troll Lord should be much worse.

Unrelated to that, I also think a problem with Throggs strength in campaign is his very lackluster trait. +1 public order and +2 corruption locally are really minor effects. Immunity to attrition for the lords army would be great - in another faction. Norscan armies happen to be immune to most of the relevant attrition types for their area of the map anyways. Siege attacker is the only really useful part of the trait, but he really should have that one built in already imho. I might change that too with the next update....if i have a good idea for it.

Hi

I have some soggestions


1) Make some ranged troll. Like using trogg ability to use his ability for constant.

2) Make trolls all have unique skin for wintertootch.

3) make norsca use some winter manticore or something...

4) Is it possible for river trolls and troll heroes ude some new weapons.

Hi dilaguna, thank you for your suggestions.

1) Tried pretty much exactly that and wasn't really able to make it work. Not sure whether it is possible or not, but at least I don't know how to make an ability like that right now.

2) I might do that, but right now I prefer to make new units and leave the old ones (mostly) untouched. So it is low priority at best.

3) I'll consider it.

4) Oh I have tried that. A lot. But so far all of the other weapons I tried either attach weirdly to the troll model and look suprisingly stupid and/or fragile when held by trolls. But it is possible that I have overlooked a suitable weapon, so if i happen to find it, it will probably go to the troll lord first.

By the way )) I can help you with textures if you want ))) You will save your time and i would make looking my favorite mod better )))

When you go through the pain of making the textures then you could actually release a retexture mod for the wintertooth trolls yourself. If that is all it would do, then it would be fully compatible with my mod and there would be no need to give me any credit for your hard work! And people who dont want my new units or use some incompatible overhaul could use it without my mod if they wish.

I have some issues with that ))) But if you could send me textures (bump normal excetra) i can make you realy swampy dompy things )))

would a troll hero be a good idea? the troll hags come to mind
( https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Giant-River-Troll-Hag ) Its a age of sigmar unit but still a troll XD and it would give them a semi lorefreidnly way to get troll mages?

The problem with the troll hero is that i kind of ran out of models/assets for trolls and a hero imho should be rather having a distinct look. and in the end it would probably be relatively similar to a skinwolf hero who is already a monsterous melee hero.