Hello,
I'll try to keep things simple and direct.

I'd like to get people's collective opinions on a matter that needs resolution.
Basically, it's a bit tedious, and some people have outright made a complaint that there are too many traditions.

As things are right now, a few of the traditions are mutually exclusive in the sense they cannot be completed or maybe even taken with any meaning if the other has been taken.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but people play this mod for the role playing aspect. Due to how the bonuses and restrictions work out even in vanilla, I think nobody will go materialist and spiritualist right?

There are currently 16 traditions. Only 4 need to be removed from gameplay to make things much cleaner and convenient.

If anyone has a better option that is just as easy to implement please share in comments below.



I have 3 possible solutions to choose from.
They are an extension of the following proposed idea.

"The premise is each choice of ethic denies the tradition of the opposite ideology."
Faith/discovery, militarist/pacifist etc.






1) Everyone plays with 5 ethics. Meaning in game will the full range of 12-16 traditions.


2) Everyone gets only 4 ethics instead of 5.
Everyone will have a fixed number of 12 traditions, and a maximum of 4 ethics.
Choosing the fanatic level of an ethic will effectively be a 'free' upgrade that will have stronger penalties and/or weaker bonuses to balance.


3) A) Fanatic ethics deny 2 traditions each.
1 fanatic ethic means 14 traditions.
2 fanatic ethics brings means 12 traditions.

3) B) Players start off with 2 traditions. Each distinct choice of government ethic gives
a tradition. The idea isn't complete yet but basically you start with 2-3 traditions. Then you gain traditions as you choose government ethics. More decisions and research is needed to flesh it out. Will be the hardest to implement.

Strawpoll for options 1-3
https://www.strawpoll.me/15421580

If you don't like removing particular traditions when you play the opposite ideology.
https://www.strawpoll.me/15422114



The list of traditions and associated inclusive and mutually exclusive traditions based on ideology. True of current cultural overhaul stellaris v2.0.2

play as ethic, have yes tradition, lose no tradition.

Libertarian
Yes - Liberty
No – Authority

Authoritarian
Yes - Authority
No – Liberty


Ecologist
Yes - Harmony
No - Development

Industrialist
Yes - Development
No - Harmony


Spiritualist
Yes - Faith
No – Discovery

Materialist
Yes - Discovery
No - Faith


Xenophile
Yes - Unity
No – Purity

Xenophobe
Yes - Purity
No - Unity


Pacific
Yes - Prosperity
No - Supremacy

Militarist
Yes - Supremacy
No - Prosperity


Collectivist
Yes - Commonwealth
No - Commerce

Individualist
Yes - Commerce
No - Commonwealth


Egalitarian
Yes - Meritocracy
No - Aristocracy

Elitist
Yes - Aristocracy
No - Meritocracy